On Wed, 15 Jul 2015 15:07:46 -0400 (EDT) Rob Owens <[email protected]> wrote:
> ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Steve Litt" <[email protected]> > > > I did a lot of work with Gentoo over the weekend, and from my > > perspective, although Gentoo inits with OpenRC, it seems to default > > to udev, not eudev, and there's way to much systemd type stuff for > > my taste. They even have those wonderful "Predictable Network > > Interface Names" > > (http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/). > > Silly me, I thought eth0 was predictable. > > > > I know I can get back eth0 with a kernel argument, but I'm just > > illustrating how var Gentoo has gone down the systemd path. > > Steve, > > If you're interested, give Funtoo a try. I've been using it lately > and I like it. It uses OpenRC and eudev. The maintainers have a > fairly anti-systemd stance. Thanks Rob. Funtoo is next on my list. I failed at my last Funtoo attempt because I couldn't get a bootloader configured, so I could only use it by booting with System Rescue CD and chrooting. So the last couple days I went back and learned more about LILO, and I'm ready to try Funtoo again. Like Devuan itself, Funtoo has made a statement that it will never use Systemd. > > I am of the belief that sysvinit isn't all that bad, and I'd rather > use it than learn something new. :-) Systemctl and Journalctl are old? But yeah, I know what you mean. > But I've found OpenRC relatively > easy to understand and work with. :-) Once I get Funtoo working, my first step will be to alt-init using either Epoch, s6, runit, or Suckless Init + daemontools-encore + LittKit. You know, the systemd fanboiz back on Debian-User were right about one thing: Sysvinit is old, complicated, and a mess. OpenRC *requires* sysvinit or something very much like it as PID1, and then for process management substantially reproduces a lot of sysvinit's problems, such as the init scripts from hell. Can you imagine a Funtoo box with a really simple init? The ultimate in repairability. NOTE: Nothing I said in this email should be construed to be a vote against Devuan defaulting to sysvinit. Our devs have hundreds of years of accumulated experience with sysvinit, so sysvinit is the obvious choice. Those who prefer to alt-init can do so easily, because unlike systemd distros, the alternate init is a plug replacement, and you don't need to tear out vast swathes of the former init system. SteveT Steve Litt July 2015 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Century http://www.troubleshooters.com/rl21 _______________________________________________ Dng mailing list [email protected] https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
