-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi,
On 09/28/2015 08:10 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: > Hi natacha,The first four sections look pretty standard. Yes, it is standard and very minimal, by curiosity, which txt are you talking about? > But if you haven't done a fairly accurate assessment of how the > community actually getswork done, it's highly unlikely that what is > written about governance will reflect reality. What is up there is only a draft for possible organisation, and I agree needs to be grounded on the functioning of the community, this is actually what this process is about. Insteadit will confuse and frustrate newcomers, who will be forced to learn two sets of "rules"-- oneofficial one that's clear yet largely ineffectual, the other unspoken, complex, and real. (Thereare also many other problems that can happen from this, but that alone should be sufficientto be persuasive. I agree open source communities are quite difficult to integrate, and it takes time for new comers to understand their modalities, that are very changing depending on the moment and the internal and even external dynamics. That's really what makes the beauty and efficiency of the process and there is no way to regulate this. On another hand each community exists for a reason and has a specific identity, Devuan crystallized because of the imposition of systemD in Debian, and people decided to engage themselves in a new and demanding process; but it seems that from that point on, a whole new set of questions appear, and they arise regularly on this mailing list along the discussions and when people ask for organisation. how different/similar is Devuan and Devuan organisation, who makes the decision, what do you want to keep/leave behind, is there a special spirit, I don't think any of this is Neutral and Helekin translates many issues in the constitution draft. natacha > > -Jonathan > > > > > On Monday, September 28, 2015 4:16 AM, natacha > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > > > Agree Indeed thats the issue, And also the reason why things need > to be though in a different manner hence not bureaucratic. n. > > > > > > > > On 09/28/2015 10:04 AM, Nuno Magalhães wrote: >> Didn't the Debian Constitution ultimately help in screwing that >> distro up? Or was it some other bureaucratic device? >> _______________________________________________ Dng mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng >> > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (GNU/Linux) > > iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJWCPdVAAoJEB4vJZJLVJYmUEQP/2umQTfvbvFZFbTDks5qDmBx > z3OJlLFFpYinsuPzhUJi7oAck6aivLmsMC+tV+mMsKWErwiepv2eePcKdXPe5Z8c > VNBVdNJxRVUbpRYLU1EKSmP2yJ7ttT8RWY4TKW1AubfiXxOpso6r4h0hHnPwp6p/ > iiqQai6z+k5VFyot2BxJ0s/0tq6boHIECXDI/AAGFXRpvwOSdGk0Ynzmvj60M2x2 > dCezmKs39Rwci3210WezpvR4A4TtcQUmSwV0O1NOywgUYk4EThifQOKttPdleSqL > uJhbOzaEoWzcyW0HoOOCYkKbz0KmWCrEJYOdWgRoJoGxHjCY92+5wMxIUmBBbQPe > wwa93cZsXGOsp6SO4myv2Sfrb4C9uSEfg2v4bTtgTkk1wAHgk0CHZKIy4X6GdQqX > tIl50iVEcQE+19JNkTkJ9bI29mXj5rPIouNvNZVYd4vsnCtWWqlTb1TzAqlyvrIW > 0RkaqBzlAdSa0KSfoFpQTD5UTD4C0AcYOV39gGC7CPQ8YcavO02R0rAtvJpcaAe5 > 0ccjMx3MfkLHUeSm4vfhtS9R+/TiX1jooABAlEspSAIgWfaVenL1qWBQDzEwT9Rt > 3Cmvq7lEcK93FYdXmop1i9XIxFJ75ftt634YoNfnPS6Rf18GI8ycaXySaLWtzsf2 > 9fRcR/1YIlvhicXznCjd =tkOk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ Dng mailing list > [email protected] > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJWCZdcAAoJEB4vJZJLVJYmBGoQAJfAyTV9MrsidfK1odzaZv9G QoMol77qKHo5NDgqkje9Y50XxuYaINjT+P86TWSGZLxxMwJUrSkCYDF8UX2f5SlJ H70InMTvloZoDkxlsUu9dh8ATvMo7VdChNtvoJqdhbu83N6UKeAYtFiZV2wqB5+r t4q/I0bXKC3/xOm3PJIG4y7DKDuDwspyaPQFBNWgGdwlrJqn8E+6uEsYT6sC9v/j 3nQcb6wZaM8fjwNe6E6UNPkddBidaTAdPE0+zzv+MmjmD0Ss96SVz3kkziNJpTw5 5EzWWF3mB+PjeVS+T6CzwM7sSqGN5/UPae/y9FhxFH02uWkaqRkAoNruvJ8J1tt/ lfkh3AL8TKNulonzAarmnJJkynXy1thPvmfN2spjLsEyKDxOG9oS0edakgXDTdtY eAC440Gyofhq+JUxU6zzwFoL5c7f+xC0Ybr6744DSS8yJkpJ7s6C7cSL0wIpMVTw d/2aX4M+gHp9QK52E/wtZLrcRogs9g3cW0GLfgMN+zffqhz8XmzZaUr9j90euyTa Fe4E4/TRqXGkzhyJtYVvgIQrv0VJh5y3gEOTk8gTZ9JC/1M+Cizo4KCs2LZWSkcx 6ISxGNjrQmVOZgnWjgtLhCecILTVRuXr2Azgw3FsF//hdUwchy2wDJSlBwfpiGMD ER7hdstEETMVXfhIaOQs =T94k -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Dng mailing list [email protected] https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
