Am Montag, 21. Dezember 2015 schrieb John Hughes: > On 21/12/15 11:52, Rowland Penny wrote: > > On 21/12/15 10:03, John Hughes wrote: > >> > >> > >> What I'm looking for is choice -- I want people who want systemd to > >> be able to run it, and people who dont want it to be able to use > >> sysvinit, openrc or upstart or whatever. At the moment things are > >> all fucked up because there is no long term alternative to the seat > >> management part of systemd and few people seem prepared to work on it. > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Dng mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > > > > This is what people have been trying to get through to you, if you run > > debain jessie, you 'HAVE' to use systemd whether you want to or not. > > No, you don't. You do have to have systemd installed, and I'm not sure > why, but systemd does not have to be pid 1. > > > Can you answer why a desktop relies on an init system, because I cannot. > > Because systemd (or systemd-shim) does session management, and Gnome > didn't want to keep doing it (badly) themselves. > > > I can understand why parts of the desktop rely on something like udev, > > but this has now been subsumed by systemd. > > No it hasn't. The source code for udev is in the same tree as systemd, > and they share some library functions, but udev still works without systemd. > > > If systemd had just been a replacement for sysv or upstart etc, then > > there would not have been all the row about it, those that wanted to > > use it could have and those that didn't, didn't have to, but no, > > because of the way it is taking over the established way of doing > > things, you are denied the free choice of what init system to use! > > Assumes facts not in evidence.
It is hard to ignore your ignorance. Nik -- Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing with the NSA. _______________________________________________ Dng mailing list [email protected] https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
