On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 12:31:08PM +0000, Dave Turner wrote: > On 28/02/16 07:03, Joel Roth wrote: > >On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 02:32:45AM +0000, hellekin wrote: > >>On 02/27/2016 03:28 AM, Simon Wise wrote: > >>>something as minimal as possible, like above, seems a very good option. > >>I dream of a core Devuan that is modular so that the Desktop Environment > >>is a *blend* that you layer on top of core. That way, you can have a > >>choice of DEs that users can prepare for their own pleasure. > >For people like my dad who simply need to reach their > >applications, something like icewm is enough. They don't > >have the interest or aptitude to master a complex desktop > >environment with twitchy GUIs in the style of Apple's recent > >offerings. > > > >>The question of the default DE comes next: Devuan should be shipped with > >>a default DE. So far we've been focusing on XFCE, for reasons unknown > >>to me (normally I use a tiled WM without DE). > >I, too, have found grace (or at least sufficient > >convenience) in tiled WMs :) > > > >I agree that if Xfce floats enough boats, and can be > >integrated okay, why not? > > > >Alternatively, having a minimal window manager as default, > >possibly with a menu choice to upgrade to a fancier DE, seems > >like a way to convey that the various DEs are *user > >interfaces* rather than representing the OS itself. > > > >That goes with another radical idea: having people login at > >the console and type 'startx'. That way, when later there is > >some problem, you can ask the person to type some commands > >in the console, and they know at least to type something at > >a prompt and conclude with the Enter key. They can also > >understand that X is a layer on top of the base OS. > > > >These concepts seems quite alien to many users. I think that > >even this minimal exposure to the command line could > >stimulate curiosity about what the terminal can be used to > >accomplish. At the minimum, people will know it is > >there. > > > >Maybe I am missing something about the motivations behind > >and the benefits of a graphical login screen, but it seems > >like the main value is allowing people to run their computer > >without ever seeing the command prompt. I think it would be > >of more value for people to encounter the command prompt, > >even if briefly. > > > > > >>I can imagine that Jessie 1.0 Beta will ship with XFCE by default. > >>I hope Jessie 1.0 will ship with a choice for WM/DE, each implemented as > >>a blend. That way the community can maintain a collection of *properly > >>configured and integrated desktops* for those who want to use that, and > >>leave the rest of us free to build on the foundation, not just decorate > >>of a pre-chewed environment. > >It would be great cooperation to have one group to hack on > >the DE stuff, while leaving the Devuan core developers free > >to concentrate on lower-level concerns. > > > >Regards, > > > >Joel > >>== > >>hk > >> > >>-- > >> _ _ We are free to share code and we code to share freedom > >>(_X_)yne Foundation, Free Culture Foundry * https://www.dyne.org/donate/ > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Dng mailing list > >>[email protected] > >>https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > I think the above is closest to my views on the matter. > Which window manager and desktop environment I choose to use is up > to me and nothing for devuan to worry about. > I use xfce a lot and would like it to work on devuan, but don't > waste valuable time on it.
Am I mistake? Am I perhaps only dreaming that I'm using xfce on devuan jessie? Or is there some technical issue I'm unaware of? > I'm old enough to cope quite well with twm, I like using ctwm, and I > really like fluxbox. I like icewm, too, and will be trying the others you mention just in case I'm missing something I'm not yet aware of. I tried lxde and didn't like it -- somehow the mouse became just slightly jerky and slightly unresponsive. Not lear how WM would cause this -- maybe it does permanent mouse tracking in a way that incurs overhead? -- hendrik > Typing startx on the command line should not be beyond anybody who > wants to try devuan. > I even persuaded the normal people that use my iMac to do it for a while! > > DaveT > > _______________________________________________ > Dng mailing list > [email protected] > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng _______________________________________________ Dng mailing list [email protected] https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
