On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 02:48:24AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > On Sat, 23 Apr 2016 17:08:10 +0900 > Simon Walter <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On 04/23/2016 04:20 PM, aitor_czr wrote: > > > > > > On 04/22/2016 11:17 AM, KatolaZ <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> In my opinion there's no magic line where things on one side are > > >> window > > >> >managers and things on the other side are desktop environments. I > > >> >think we can all agree that Unity, KDE and Gnome are desktop > > >> >environments, and dwm and i3 are window managers, but what's > > >> >Xfce? What's LXDE? What's Openbox? > > >> > > > >> >I think of de/wm as a spectrum, not a 1/0. > > > > > > I agree with you, there is not a borderline. > > > > It doesn't matter how much you agree on an opinion. That will not > > make it fact. There is a technical difference between the two. Just > > look up the definition of "window manager" and "desktop environment" > > on any techsite/dictionary/encyclopedia. Unless you are trying to > > sound ignorant, it would make sense to use the correct terminology. > > I've never been afraid of sounding ignorant, especially when I'm right. > All the X environments I've ever seen have window managers to manipulate > and add decorations to windows. Most X environments I've seen have > programs added on to the basic window manager to work with it, > configure it, and add features to it. So the question is: How much > software is added to the software that manages and decorates windows? > And that answer varies across a spectrum, according to the > wm/de/whatever you're discussing. > > By the way, anyone wanting to take "sounding ignorant" to the next > level should argue that LXDE is as much of a Desktop Environment as > Gnome, or that LXDE as much of a Window Manager as dwm. > > One more thing: I think this whole wm/de thing is a useless > distinction that never should have been made.
The point at which I consider that it's no longer a window manager is when it starts to interfere with the conventions X set up. For example, when X's cut and paste stops working and you never know which cut-and-paste mechanism to use when copying from one window to another. -- hendrik _______________________________________________ Dng mailing list [email protected] https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
