Maybe someone else has something to say? Especially if you revel in beating a dead horse . . .
------------------------------------- On Wed, 9/28/16, hellekin <helle...@dyne.org> wrote: Subject: [DNG] On talk.do and Web forums To: "dng" <dng@lists.dyne.org> Date: Wednesday, September 28, 2016, 3:08 AM > > On IRC #devuan: <golinux> hellekin: Can we PLEASE move on from > Discourse. Very few people are using it and those who are loathe it for > the most part. It's holding back Devuan's community growth! > I left that message on #devuan-www not #devuan > > Let me state it one last time, by email, so that it can be read by > everyone and we can have a discussion about it, instead of a persistent > and frankly annoying counter-productive attitude regarding talk.devuan.org. > > No, we're not moving on from Discourse. > And there you have it. > > Yes, very few people are using it. > That should tell you something. > > Yes, *some* people insist on loathing it, and although I have tried to > address every single of their arguments, they keep coming at it without > even trying (e.g., to *not* use the Web after their account is > registered.) Maybe there's some missing documentation about how to use > Discourse as a mailing list only. > Personally, I don't want to mix ML apples with forum oranges. > > I don't think anybody here as much to say against mailing list apart > from the well-known issues: > [blah, blah why discourse is so amazing] > > So, I understand that Discourse is not for everyone, its web interface > requires some heavy Javascript that can be slow, and it doesn't look > like you would like, and certainly not like any forum out there, where > you just sit and shout. But you need to understand that: > > 1) we're thinking of a *tool* towards a *goal*: knowledge management > 2) it can be *used by email* (as a mailing list, requiring very few > interaction with the Web at all) > 3) nothing prevents anyone from *setting up another forum software* > Sigh . . . As someone discussing talk.do on another forum nicely summed up: ". . . the forum design over there is a bit perplexing given the philosophy that gave birth to Devuan in the first place." How did we get from KISS to bloated, Fisher-Price SNS in a heartbeat? > > Which brings me to the last argument: "It's holding back Devuan's > community growth!" > > Really, golinux, do you think it does? FriendsOfDevuan has a wiki that > is mentioned in the official documentation page on > devuan.org/os/documentation while it's not operated by the VUA, so be my > guest and make a popular forum that will help grow the Devuan community. > I think the two objectives are orthogonal, and certainly not incompatible. > I don't see multiplicity of forums/blogs as a solution to the deficiencies of an 'official' forum. > > I know you've been arguing the talk.do was a threat to the mailing > lists. > FTR, I don't 'argue'. I do express opinions however . . . At one point I thought dng might be going byebye once the forum was available. It didn't and I'm happy about that (though lately nothing has been happening there either). > > Yet, officially, DNG has been replaced by devuan-discuss and > devuan-announce mailing lists, which see seldom traffic so far. > Which again says something. > > That means we're not in an univocal world where "the VUA decide" and "the > community follows". > We're not? > [snip] > > With Devuan we're trying to give another take on what an universal OS > means, and for that we want to have a compact set of tools that enables > more diversity in the expression of what is, how to make, and who makes > "a distro". *In my opinion*, talk.do has an important role to play in > this strategy, as does the devuan-sdk, and Amprolla and build > automation, etc. But I certainly do not support the idea that my > opinion is the only valid one. I'd rather not have *another* forum > software under devuan.org to avoid dissipating energies. But I > certainly cannot prevent the community from deciding that my vision is > moot and go on setting up something that may eventually replace it. > Devuan is not Python: there's no one-true-way here. > But it seems 'your vision' = the one true 'official' Devuan forum and that is non-negotiable. The ship will either sail or sink. It is a process that only time will sort out. I surrender . . . :) golinux > > <3 > > == > hk > > P.S.: I'm tempted to post this to devuan-discuss and talk.do, but hey, > let's not cross-post :) > _______________________________________________ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
