( to Mathias: don't let this distract you from your work on
unofficial+grsecurity, this is technical about Devuan webmail where you
recent email has not been posted, just find your name below where you
are mentioned, and pls. keep up with the unofficial+grsecurity, the
GNU/Linux users need it even if they don't understand; sorry for this
digression )

(Just at final proofreading I found information that I didn't know
previously, which is in bottom, as well as inserted in two places, can't
rewrite the whole email, too tired from last days of hard work at
installing Devuan my hard way )

On 170509-22:36+0100, Antonio Trkdz.tab wrote:
> Hi All,

Indeed (barring that to me is served, via MiTM'ing or other fashion, a
different content than to others, which is very unlikely), indeed:

Mail attachments do not get to Devuan ML web, i.e. to the public at
> I use a mixed XFCE environment with i3 as window manager and I was using
> xmodmap and xcape to modify some key bindings, in particular I map the
> spacebar to Hyper_L on press and xcape-ing it to space again on release, as

This attachment:
> per my .xmodmaprc (attached) and calling it in .profile (attached)

I do find in my maibox. It consists of just these 24 lines of text:

======%<======== ATTACHMENT START ======%<=========
! Making the right CTRL to work in the spectre us keyboard
keycode 94 = Control_R
add Control = Control_R

! Setting space as hyper modifier (mod3) for i3 usage
!clear mod3
!clear mod4
!add mod3 = Hyper_L
!add mod4 = Super_L Super_R

! Swap Caps_Lock and Control_L
remove Lock = Caps_Lock
remove Control = Control_L
keysym Control_L = Caps_Lock
keysym Caps_Lock = Control_L
add Lock = Caps_Lock
add Control = Control_L
======%<======== ATTACHMENT END ======%<=========

================= info found at proofreading time, start ================
and the attachment even shows on the web:
================= info found at proofreading time, end ===================

But I wasn't able to find it in the Devuan Mailing List web.

In the concrete example, I think it defeats the purpose of posting the
discussion of the Devuan DNG Mailing List at dyne.org, to the public
with crippled content because of just a text file of 434 ASCII

It defeats the purpose, because if anyone anywhere in the world tried to
fix his xmodmap and ducked/shchmoogled/searched for it, and if she found
this thread, and the information looked just like what she was
searching, alas she would only be frustrated to find nothing, just
crippled content...

Have a look at my email:
unoffic-grsec 4.9.27 kernel compile, one last hurdle

If you search that page for '.gz' you will find four attachments there:
grsec-dev1-compile.sh.gz (1)
(1) is indispensable for the main topic of the message, how I compile
(2), (3), and (4) are indispensable for understanding what issue has
been solved in the currently best available grscurity-patched kernel,
which issue has been solved just some two days ago, but my message
showed some good testing and Mathias Krause has thanked me in his reply
for that testing.

None of it can be understood if those gzip'd files are scrubbed :(

The whole thread becomes just little more than junk...

Is that not publishing of attachments deliberate, or because of some

I have already asked that question, when, in my message (allowed only a
copy with attachment removed):

BAD sig with Devuan Jessie 1.0.0-RC

when in that messaage my attachment (not in this email):


(which soon turned out to be instrumental in verifying the BAD sig issue)

of size:
83k (110k when turned into base64)

was not allowed, and I had to find another, non-trivial way to provide
it to the readers.

BAD sig with Devuan Jessie 1.0.0-RC

And I asked in this email of that thread:

< same subject >

> Pls. note the difference btwn what, say this same email in my frozen
> archive shows (take notice of the attachments, they'll be missing in
> the other lurker below, the official live lurker): 
> https://www.croatiafidelis.hr/foss/devuan/lurker/message/20170423.152414.27ee0859.en.html
> and (the attachments are not in the top right corner of that same email
> as in my frozen lurker linked above):
> https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20170423.152414.27ee0859.en.html
> Why is that so?

================= info found at proofreading time, start ===================
Pls. see how a complete email is posted there. That way it is useful,
with scrubbed attachments, it is a source of frustration for readers.
================= info found at proofreading time, end =====================

As to why is that so, I haven't received any replies whatsoever... So
I'm asking again. Why is that so?

And, as you can see in the subject line of this message, it gets even

In this email of the recent thread the first email of which has already been
cited further above:
unoffic-grsec 4.9.27 kernel compile, one last hurdle
you can clearly see that I replied to Mathias Krause (added to Cc:),
whose unofficial grsecurity-patched kernel is currently the only kernel
with grsecurity like I have known it for years available, and so is

[you can clearly see that I replied to Mathias Krause], a reader from
the web would be led to believe that he replied to my query in private,
because his email is not available in the thread published on the web:

< same subject >

But no, he did not reply to me in a private message, because I would not
forward a private message without asking him first. Pls. if any
subscribers to DNG ML feel like, find his message in your mailbox:

Message-ID: <ca+rthh_s0n0ga7l+gsgbrqzz-cry8xtaqr5lwy6frbfayre...@mail.gmail.com>

and see the headers in it (this is from my Mutt):

Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 22:49:46 +0200
From: Mathias Krause <mini...@googlemail.com>
To: Miroslav Rovis <miro.ro...@croatiafidelis.hr>
Cc: dng@lists.dyne.org
Subject: Re: unoffic-grsec 4.9.27 kernel compile, one last hurdle

Why so? In my opinion this is plain wrong... It's just not what webmails
do, marc.info, gmane, lists.gt.net, mail-archive.com.

Can this be corrected? Not just Mathias's email imported into Lurker,
but from now on allow simple text attachments, and maybe (most webmail
do) allow gzip attachment... And also the 50k limit is way to low.
Wireshark e.g.  allow 500k... But at least, really as a minimum, some
100k would make for meeting the minimal standards of our time... Ah,
just to tell you. On Gentoo users, there is hardly any limit. I have
seen emails of over 5M, yes you read it right. that's 100 times more
than on Devuan DNG mailing list.

I'm not writing this to criticize, but to improve. I can also understand
if manpower is missing... I know how hard I have had it to install
Devuan my hard way (encrypted root, unofficial grsec), and still have
it, as my Devuan is very incomplete at the moment.

I'm not angry or anything... Pls. take email as a kind of testing.

[1] There is only some on Gmane, which has, generally, not recovered
most/a lot of its huge content yet, e.g.:
The last minute information, that will do justice to some of my thoughts

unoffic-grsec 4.9.27 kernel compile, one last hurdle
Pls. have a look in it: the attachments are all there. I bet the email
can even be verified with my PGP sig attached...

Thanks for everyone's kind consideration.
Miroslav Rovis
Zagreb, Croatia

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