On Sun, Jun 25, 2017 at 01:49:20PM -0700, Rick Moen wrote: [cut]
> > This (your 1990 X11 terminal, X2Go, etc.) is all _network-based_ > multiuser, of course, using intelligent remote workstations. The aim of > multiseat is to implement _locally attached_ multiuser, on attached > terminals -- which is different in kind (IMO an almost entirely > pointless niche use-case, but proponents disagree). > > I like how Arnt phrased it: 'Multiseat is unimportant, barely > significant. The price of computers has dropped enough that the ones > with UIs are now personal devices.' The economics if the multiseat > aspiration doesn't, IMO, make sense in the 2010s. People who disagree > are of course welcome to scratch their own itches, though it'd be nice > if they didn't drag the rest of us along with them. > Let's be honest here: systemd proponents needed a few reasons for their crusade. The first horse was "fast boot times", which was easily revealed to be a legend. The second one was "multi-seat support", which is totally useless today. The third one was "easy cgroup management", whose real utility is at least questionable. The fourth one was "reproducible boots", which might make sense in a VM farm, where flawlessly provisioning a container in 5 minutes might be important. The fifth one was "innovation, since sysv-init scripts are hard to maintain" (for people who use MacOSX and are totally clueless about scripting, we should add), which is again BS (Brutally Simplistic). The real reason was a completely different one: unify the low-level userland under a single entity, so that all the distros would abide to a single specification set by RedHat, and about which RedHat will sell support, certifications, and related services. And, at the same time, eliminating variety and alternatives in a core part of the system (the low-level userland), which has traditionally been the territory of the unix-wars. As usual, marketing is at least slightly different from reality. And wondering whether a cloths detergent will really give you the fantastic results shown on TV -and for a lower price- is pretty pointless. systemd is here, so asking whether it was worth the effort or trying to provide logical explanations for its existence (besides a carefully planned strategy by RedHat) looks as useless as pondering about the effectiveness of cloths detergents. The only way I see to avoid that this total domination plan can succeed is to continue proposing, developing, and maintaining high-quality credible alternatives, of all sorts, on all fronts. My2Cents KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - GLUGCT -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ]
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