I don't really do IRC, mainly because most development channels are on Freenode 
- Freenode famously blocks Tor unilaterally. You pretty much cannot get on 
Freenode via Tor without some proxy gymnastics. Freenode blocks a lot of other 
proxies as well, so even that is a significant hurdle. I'm not sure how it 
handles VPNs but I don't have any of those they couldn't help in my case anyway.

I was just hoping an admin could set me up an account and afterwards I could 
change the password! Lol. I don't need anyone to re-code the spam blocking 
implementation.

Honestly it seems like a decent interim solution to just suggest that Tor users 
must contact an admin to set up an account. I personally don't mind the extra 
step at all.

Thanks to everyone for discussing this though.

gl
​

-------- Original Message --------
 On February 3, 2018 10:55 PM,  <goli...@dyne.org> wrote:

>On 2018-02-03 16:32, Adam Borowski wrote:
>>On Sat, Feb 03, 2018 at 12:38:49PM -0600, goli...@dyne.org wrote:
>>>On 2018-02-03 11:18, taii...@gmx.com wrote:
>>>>On 02/03/2018 07:14 AM, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
>>>>>..some people HAVE to use Tor, because their lives depends on it.
>>>>>..and, we need a backup plan whenever Tor fails.
>>>>> Again a life and death issue.
>>>>> And there should not ever be a debate as to if someone "needs" it.
>>>>>Asking a few simple questions about the distro would be an effective
>>>> spam filter without discrimination.
>>>>Our spam setup has blocked about 29700 spammers in the last year and
>>> not one
>>> spammer has gotten through.  Only about a dozen folks have had
>>> problems
>>> registering.  So our system is effective and not going anywhere. We
>>> also
>>> have questions BTW and before we upgraded our line of defense,
>>> spammers were
>>> still getting through.
>>>Including "please ask on IRC for registration" in the error message
>> sounds
>> like a good alternative for those who for whatever reason believe they
>> need
>> to use Tor (be their fear warranted or not, it's not our duty to
>> judge).
>>
> Great minds! We just now decided to send them to freenode IRC #d1g-users
> in that automated message.  I'm hoping to see 'ghostlands' pop up there
> soon.
>
>>An automated exception system takes hours to code, and, as you just
>> mentioned, was not 100% effective.  A human, on the other hand, has
>> natural
>> detection of all bulk abuse attempts, and will let through at most an
>> individual abuser, who could have easily registered anyway.
>>
> Ralph is a wizard at cobbling anti-spam stuff together. It has, with a
> few exceptions, been trouble-free and 100% effective. I may be wrong but
> iirc the setup didn't take that long to put in place. (golinux sends
> some virtual ice cream to Ralph.)
>
> golinux
>
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