On Thu, 23 Aug 2018, KatolaZ wrote:

> On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 09:31:01AM +0200, Jaromil wrote:

> > My wish is that strong industrial players like ARM understand how
> > valuable could be to ally with us and a few others in the open source
> > world.
> >
> 
> I agree with most of the arguments, but the last: unfortunately, not
> even ARM is a "good player", as also indicated by the recent debacle
> of pseudo-facts and plain lies against RISC-V from ARM Holdings. It's
> true that there is more than one producer providing ARM
> implementations, but they have to pay millions in royalties to ARM
> Holdings, which effectively decides the specs. 

well, yes, you make a very good point.

I wonder what is the status of shipments for this board:
https://www.crowdsupply.com/sifive/hifive-unleashed

and if there are any others we could use for studying and perhaps make
an experimental builder for Devuan.

1000$ for an experimental board is still a bit much for the Devuan's
pockets, but I may convince the DECODE consortium to invest part of
our equipment budget to have one. Then an important part of this
decision would be to know when it ships. If we'd have to wait more
than a year for it then the research project would be nearly over.

overall good call, all considered I agree with you on the long-term
strategic vision, nevertheless would be good to have some sort of
support and/or recognition from players in the ARM space too.


ciao

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