Hello > I believe you mean (specifically) cut off from access to GMail > send/receive access by GMail users, as an alternative to using GMail's > proprietary WebUI. Yes, that's very strongly my understanding, too. > > Of course, my own way of eliminating GMail problems is: Don't use > GMail, and you thereby magically avoid GMail problems. ;->
If it isn't clear yet: There is another risk of using a web mail interface - the automatic spell checker in those things means that surveillance capitalists have the cover to collect your typing at the keystroke level and possibly build up a profile of your typing - err, fingerprint. Which, like every biometric, is difficult to clear and reset. > > It's increasingly hard to exchange e-mail between lesser known providers > > or even self-hosted servers and GMail accounts. > > This does _not_ accord with my experience. In my experience, if you run > a spam-clean and RFC-compliant SMTP operation and take modest > anti-forgery measures (such as my domains' strongly asserted SPF RR), > your mail domain will have no problem bidirectionally communicating with > GMail / Googlemail -- without spamboxing or teergrubing, etc. > > I keep monitoring this situation, and it may change, but that is still > my honest assessment from many decades of self-hosted SMTP smarthost > operation. I'd like to echo Rick's observation: Running a mail server is still totally doable. I say still, because the viability depends on there being a nontrivial pool of mailbox owner operated mail hosts. And it is bigger than mail - a good and free internet depends on reachable, static IPs with proper DNS names being held by the general population. So it is truly worth it to spend a few dollars a month to get a VPS/VM/staticVPN and do something with it. Like muscle and brain-cells, those things can disappear if you don't use them. And, like Devuan, this isn't a rear-guard action only: There are utterly delightful sections of a better internet being built - seek them out, and help. For instance, the gemini project (gemini.circumlunar.space) is doing awesome work to shrink the metasizing mass that is the web-browser down to something treatable. Here is a very simple gemini browser URL='gemini://gus.guru/known-hosts' HST=$(echo $URL | cut -f3 -d/) (echo -en "$URL\r\n" ; sleep 3) | openssl s_client -quiet -no_ign_eof -connect "$HST:1965" -servername "$HST" Regarding mail: I have this hope that a personal mail server will become proper status symbol, and maybe even a heirloom. Rick will remember a mailing list called linux-elitists@ which didn't allow certain User-agents to subscribe. It would be nifty if there were a mailing list, with another pretentious title - say inet-lords@ or net-kings@ which only allowed posting from addresses starting with admin@ or, even better, abuse@ as these addresses are reserved and unlikely to be given out by providers... regards marc _______________________________________________ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng