On Wed, 14 Apr 2021 09:57:38 -0400 fsmithred via Dng <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 4/14/21 9:50 AM, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 14, 2021 at 09:02:54AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > >> tito via Dng said on Tue, 13 Apr 2021 22:03:02 +0200 > >> > >> > >>> 2) should non-free and contrib repos be added to sources.list > >>> or should that be left to the user > >> > >> I'm not sure whether my answer is responsive to your question or > >> not, but here goes... > >> > >> I believe enough non-free and contrib stuff should be available at > >> install time (or boot time on a live CD/flash) that the user > >> doesn't need to put in additional media to get boot, network, > >> video and sound working. And I believe any non-free and contrib > >> stuff should, by default, be installed at install time, but before > >> installation the user should be given the option of opting out of > >> this non-free/contrib stuff, so if he/she only uses free software, > >> he/she can maintain that principle in the installation. > >> > >> Stating it the inverse way, I HATE these installs that bomb because > >> there's no FSF-satisfying drivers, firmware or software to handle > >> my new laptop's weird hardware. And those distros that do that, > >> their mailing lists always say "well just put in a thumb drive > >> with the drivers/firmware!" How the KFDWOJMFOW do I know which > >> drivers and firmware? I think free software purist snobs drive > >> more people back to Windows than cleanse people of their non-free > >> ways. > > > > Yes, the nonfree software which is necessary to getting hardware to > > work should be installed unless the user explicitly says not to do > > it. He may be committed to freedom, but may have been bamboozled by > > the hardware vendor or has been given a free (but not libre) piece > > of hardware by a doting aunt for his birthday. > > > > That said, he should have to opt in to receiving other nonfree > > software. That should be a separate choice. He may well want to be > > as independent of nonfree software as practical. > > > > And let me remind you, there is precious little completely libre > > computer hardware around. Until there is, even the most extreme > > libre/freedom advocate will have nonfree stuff somewhere in the > > stack. > > > > Yes, I'm hoping for the longterm success of the libre-soc project. > > > > -- hendrik > > _______________________________________________ > > It's currently opt-out. You must select Expert install to avoid > non-free and to choose your sources. Something about how the > installer works makes it easier to do it this way rather than the > reverse. And it's also easier for the non-experts to get their > hardware working this way. > > fsmithred So I will add them by default. Ciao, Tito _______________________________________________ Dng mailing list [email protected] https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
