On Thu, 29 Jul 2021 12:43:00 +0000
g4sra via Dng <dng@lists.dyne.org> wrote:

> On Thursday, July 29th, 2021 at 6:58 AM, tito via Dng <dng@lists.dyne.org> 
> wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, 28 Jul 2021 22:26:07 +0000
> > g4sra via Dng dng@lists.dyne.org wrote:
> > > <--snip-->
> > > This is why Devuan's installer will ask\prompt you to insert additional 
> > > installation media such as a USB stick.
> > 
> 
> > Hi
> > 
> 
> > The user most of the time doesn't even know which driver or firmware blob 
> > he needs so this is not a solution
> > (unless you know how to scan dmesg...to spot the trouble).
> > 
> 
> > Better would be to tell them:
> > 1.  minimal install, netinstall isos/usb images are for advanced users as 
> > they could miss firmware/drivers and you are on your own.
> > 2.  full install CD/DVD/usb images contain all available firmware/drivers 
> > and give best results (plus initial opt out of non-free stuff defaulting 
> > to: I want it)
> 
> Note the line following in my original text
> > > There are just too many Gigabytes of Drivers required to satisfy every 
> > > corner case,
> You would need to put Drivers and Firmware for every network device in 
> existence on the installation media. 

Hi,
let's add this up for example for amd64

kernel                     48 MB
firmware-linux-free 19.2 KB

There no more interesting packages in my Synaptic kernel and modules section if 
we 
assume that a install iso ships just one kernel.
In the kernel and modules (contrib) section there a few packages not more then 
20MB.
in the kernel and modules (non-free) section about 50 more packages about 206 
MB.
Some 300 MB in total, where are all the GBs?
Even if we add DKMS and compilers which I skipped how much GBs will them be?.
What am I missing?
 
Ciao,
Tito

> 
> > > put the drivers your quirky hardware requires on a USB stick and use it 
> > > when prompted!
> > > I do not ever want to have to install an OS from 31 removable media's 
> > > ever again! (Windows NT anybody?).
> > 
> 

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