On Sat, Sep 4, 2021 at 10:37 AM al3xu5 <[email protected]> wrote:
> Sat, 4 Sep 2021 09:44:21 -0500 - o1bigtenor via Dng <[email protected]>: > > > [...] > > > > > >And what use is a verbatim (or any other) license unless you have > > > > >the financial resources to challenge those who might violate it. > > > > > > Hum... Many opensource projects are managed by small organizations or > > > individuals, and are released with licenses such as Apache, BSD, MIT, > > > Expat and many others: the authors certainly have no finance resources > > > to pursue violations, and I doubt that others (the "holders" of these > > > licenses) they do it for them. > > > > > > In this specific case, it is simply a question of using a license that > > > tells people: know who is the author of this documentation, and that > > > you can use it, and that if you want to redistribute then you have to > > > indicate the author and you don't have to change the content... > > > > > > > > > > Yes. The bulk of the feedback here indicates that this documentation > > > > project is better off allowing distribution of modifications. > > > > > > So -- for my experience and knowledge -- good options could be: > > > > > > - GNU Verbatim Copying and Distribution > > > > > > which states: > > > > > > ~~~ > > > Copyright YEAR AUTHOR > > > > > > Permission is granted to make and distribute verbatim copies > > > of this entire document without royalty provided the > > > copyright notice and this permission notice are preserved. > > > ~~~ > > > > > > - Creative commons CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 International > > > <https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/4.0/> > > > > > > which states: > > > > > > ~~~ > > > You are free to: > > > > > > Share — copy and redistribute the material in any medium or format > > > > > > The licensor cannot revoke these freedoms as long as you follow the > > > license terms. > > > > > > Under the following terms: > > > > > > Attribution — You must give appropriate credit, provide a link to > > > the license, and indicate if changes were made. You may do so in any > > > reasonable manner, but not in any way that suggests the licensor > > > endorses you or your use. > > > > > > > I would like to register my disagreement with some parts of this concept! > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> Regards > > al3xu5 > > >> -- > > Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and industrial design > > restrictions! > > >> ____________________________________________________________________________ > > >> Public GPG/PGP key: 8FC2 3121 2803 86E9 F7D8 B624 DA50 835B 2624 A36B > > > > NonCommercial — You may not use the material for commercial > > > purposes. >> >> >> >> >> >> Regards > > al3xu5 > > >> -- > > Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and industrial design > > restrictions! > > >> ____________________________________________________________________________ > > >> Public GPG/PGP key: 8FC2 3121 2803 86E9 F7D8 B624 DA50 835B 2624 A36B > > > > > Most everything I do here is in some shape or way related to something > > commercial! > > I use this or I build that or I modify this that and the next thing to > > either make something > > happen or build it or whatever and I do hope to make money with this > > stuff! Its how I > > provide for myself. Perhaps you are independently wealthy and need > > absolutely no > > more to live even reasonably. I need to feed my hobbies some of which may > > have the > > potential to feed others well likely far before they contribute to > > feeding me! This kind > > of statement is quite upotian and severely limits a lot of stuff imo! > > (Please note the imo > > at the end!!!) > > > > > > > > NoDerivatives — If you remix, transform, or build upon the > > > material, you may not distribute the modified material. > > > > > > > If correct attribution is practiced this is another developmental > > hinderance. > > If I can further improve your doc/build/whatever - - - - how is that > > 'hurting/ >> >> >> >> >> >> Regards > > al3xu5 > > >> -- > > Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and industrial design > > restrictions! > > >> ____________________________________________________________________________ > > >> Public GPG/PGP key: 8FC2 3121 2803 86E9 F7D8 B624 DA50 835B 2624 A36B > > > injuring' you. Now if your idea is commercial then you can say this but > > if it > > truly is open source why would you want to hinder someone from improving > > your stuff. Practically - - - - - I did it all the time in the trades - > > - - its quite > > normal. Some cheap azzed company makes something that with some minor > > tweaks works much better. Why wouldn't I get such done? To respect > > someone's > > 'ideas'? Blarney - - - - after I've bought the piece I should be allowed > > to improve > > it - - - always supposing that one does know something of what one is > > doing. > > (Companies are generally run by accountants or lawyers with the aim of > > making > > a profit - - - - making a quality product is most often almost invisible > > on the list > > its so far down!) > > > > > > > > No additional restrictions — You may not apply legal terms or > > > technological measures that legally restrict others from doing > > > anything the license permits. > > > ~~~ > > > > > > [...] > > Maybe you have miss something here... > > The discussion was not general, but specific about which license to choose > for a technical document written by an author (Steve). > > The author -- who is the copyrighy owner -- wants to share his work, > letting people use it for personal purposes, and eventually sharing > it with attribution and without modifications, neither of the license nor > the document content. > > Given that situation, a GNU Verbatim Copying and Distribution license or > the CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 International seems to fit the author requirements (he > is the author, he decide how to license its work). > > For example and more clarification, in *this given situation* the CC > BY-NC-ND 4.0 International seems to be good as: > BY: means people must cite the author when share the work with others > NC: means people must use and/or share the author's work only for personal > (i.e. non commercial) purposes (being the author free to use its own work > for *any* purpose, commercial included) > ND: means people can use/modify the author's work for personal > "internal" purposes, but cannot share modified copies of the original work > (which must be shared also keeping the author's license statements) > International: is to apply the license worldwide (as it could be shared on > the internet). > > > > > > Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and industrial design > > > restrictions! > > > > > > > (Well - - - there is some value to each of these, its the stupidly long > > hold > > times that have come about so a few large firms can retain the control > > on their cash cows that I argue with. After someone is dead their heirs > > are quite allowed to get their own patooties in gear to make their own > > living rather than living off of inherited goodies! (IMO)) > > I know. And agree with you. But copyright & c. are by the establishment to > ensure income and power for the benefit of very few people, and to the > detriment of all others. Those few are the ones who make the laws, so I > don't think there will ever be fair laws on copyright & c. -- It remains > only to resist against them in some other way. Starting with saying NO. > > Again - - - that is one way of trying to change something. Except trying to toss out EVERYTHING will likely lose you supporters. Now if you work on changing the balance of power - - - ie changing things so a corporate interest can NOT hold copyright or or or - - - - now you will still have a huge fight on your hands but all the artists and small companies will also be supporting you AND you may find traction among john q public and susie q soccermom distinctly easier to get - - - they also want to support their 'friends' (the little players). Getting the behemoths to play along - - - now that's the challenge!!! I'd bet our actual positions are actually quite close - - - grin! Pace
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