On 9 Oct 2019, at 09:51, David <[email protected]> wrote:

> On 2019-10-09 3:28 a.m., Vladimír Čunát wrote:
>> On 10/9/19 8:53 AM, Xavier Beaudouin wrote:
>>> I saw that DNS over TLS (not TCP) eg port 853/TCP is more and more used.
>> I expect that's due to newer Androids getting to more people? (i.e. it seems 
>> unrelated to OP)
>> https://android-developers.googleblog.com/2018/04/dns-over-tls-support-in-android-p.html
>>  
> 
> Yeah we see that too but you are correct we are referring to normal plain-old 
> DNS over TCP. We're now at 10x the query rates compared to pre-iOS 13, which 
> is still not a lot but is growing each day.

Are there any obvious patterns with QNAMEs or with the servers that receive 
those queries? I wonder whether there's some new query pattern that has started 
triggering large responses and whether what we are seeing is iOS falling back 
to TCP transport due to failures in receiving fragments. It'd be interesting to 
look for other increases within the messages being exchnged over TCP, e.g. an 
unusual preponderance of DO=1 or QTYPE=TLSA or something.

The observation reminds me of the iOS release that started pulling root zone 
DNSSEC trust anchors from data.iana.org <http://data.iana.org/> almost a decade 
ago. The CDN stats for data.iana.org <http://data.iana.org/> at the time 
revealed what looked initially like a step function but in fact was a steep 
curve tracking iOS upgrades amongst the iPhone-owning public. We found someone 
at Apple to talk to at the time to confirm that our interpretation was correct. 
If iOS deployment is the curve you're seeing, then I imagine you can expect 
more growth than 10x before you see a plateau.

Of course, many commonly-used applications tend to upgrade around an iOS 
upgrade. With iOS 13 there seem to be many popular social media apps releasing 
versions with this "dark mode" that I understand the youth like now.


Joe
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