Dear WG,
it has been a while since Ed sent the IETF 71 DNSOP minutes around, with
no comments received. The attached version has now been uploaded to the
meeting materials site and will appear in the proceedings.
<http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/08mar/minutes/dnsop.txt>
Upon special request, the names of the volunteer reviwers for the WGLCs
have been included. Thanks to Ed, Antoin and Suzanne for (jabber) scribing.
-Peter
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dnsop WG minutes for IETF 71, Philadelphia, US
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WG: DNS Operations (dnsop)
Meeting: IETF 71, Philadelphia
Location: Marriott Philadelphia Downtown, "Franklin 3/4"
Date: Tuesday, 11 March 2008
Time: 15:20 - 17:20 (UTC-4)
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Chairs: Rob Austein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Peter Koch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Minutes: Ed Lewis
Jabber: xmpp:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
J-Scribe: Antoin Verschuren, Suzanne Woolf
J-Script: http://jabber.ietf.org/logs/dnsop/2008-03-11.txt
Audio:
http://limestone.uoregon.edu/ftp/pub/videolab/media/ietf71/ietf71-ch2-tue-noon2-dnsop.mp3
WG URL: http://www.dnsop.org
Material:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/public/meeting_materials.cgi?meeting_num=71
Version: $Id: ietf71-minutes.txt,v 1.3 2008/04/29 08:37:05 pk Exp $
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1) Administrivia [ 15:28 {audio 0:21:55} ]
<http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/08mar/slides/dnsop-0.pdf>
Tools website for latest documents:
<http://tools.ietf.org/wg/dnsop/>
Agenda Bashing. No changes. Posted at:
<http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/08mar/agenda/dnsop.txt>
All meeting materials on proceedings page:
<http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/08mar/dnsop.html>
Thanks to jabber scribes (Antoin Verschuren, Suzanne Woolf)
and minute taker (Ed Lewis)!
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2) Status Update [ 15:31 {audio 0:24:40} ]
<http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/07dec/slides/dnsop-0.pdf>
- RFCs published
RFC 5158 "6to4 Reverse DNS Delegation Specification"
was draft-huston-6to4-reverse-dns-07.txt
- Internet-Drafts in RFC Editor Queue
NONE
- I-Ds at the IESG
draft-ietf-dnsop-reflectors-are-evil-05.txt [AD Followup]
two DISCUSSes remaining
- I-Ds in or past WGLC
draft-ietf-dnsop-default-local-zones-04.txt
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3) WG Charter [ 15:33 {audio 0:27:20} ]
New draft charter presented as it was circulated to the mailing list.
Stephane Bortzmeyer:
As said on the mailing list, do "benchmarking" issues have to be addressed
by bmwg?
Ron Bonica (AD): benchmarking in the lab or in production?
bmwg is stricly restricted to benchmarking in a lab environment.
Since the charter may cover both issues, Ron asks the chairs to contact
Al Morton, the bmwg chair. Might as well be OK to keep the term openly
phrased.
Peter clarifies that the DNSOP wg does not, did not and was never intended
to have operational control over or a supervisory function for the root
name servers.
Andrew Sullivan suggests to have the word "operation" somewhere in
the charter.
Chairs take a "hum":
1) in favor of proposed charter, pending Andrew's suggestions:
some
2) opposed
silence
3) don't care
some
Milestone list to be updated, date negotiations deferred to chairs
and AD, no comments.
Brian Dickson suggests to look at general DNS resolver operations,
providing well known default configurayions for resolvers that can
be used to securely "bootstrapping" DNS resolvers, (with, e.g., root
hints) in a "pull" mode.
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4) Active Drafts [ 15:43 {audio 0:37:35} ]
o draft-ietf-dnsop-reverse-mapping-considerations-05.txt
This draft needs to be revived and will then immediately go to WGLC.
Reviewers: Jaap Akkerhuis, Olafur Gudmundsson, Olaf Kolkman,
Lars-Johan Liman, Jinmei Tatuya
o draft-ietf-dnsop-as112-ops-01.txt
draft-ietf-dnsop-as112-under-attack-help-help-01.txt
Drafts are considered ready for WGLC.
Reviewers: Jaap Akkerhuis, Mark Andrews, Stephane Bortzmeyer,
Brian Dickson, Andrew Sullivan,
o draft-ietf-dnsop-respsize-10.txt
The draft has been updated since the last meeting, the editors
ask for WGLC. Stephane agrees, his issues have been addressed.
Five people have read the latest version. Going to WGLC.
Reviewers: David Blacka, Brian Dickson, Olafur Gudmundsson,
Matt Larson, Alex Mayrhofer, Eric Nelson
o draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-trust-anchor-01.txt
The editors feel it is ready for last call. Two people have read the
-01 version, some more the -00. Draft will go to WGLC.
Reviewers: David Blacka, John Dickinson, Joe Gersch, Olaf Kolkman,
Matthijs Mekking, Russ Mundy, Scott Rose, Sam Weiler
o draft-ietf-dnsop-resolver-priming-00.txt
Currently expired, will incorporate feedback when reviving,
not yet ready for WGLC.
The drafts ready for WGLC will go to staggered last calls with 2-3
weeks in between.
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6) Other (non WG) Internet-Drafts [ 15:58 {audio 0:52:35} ]
Olafur Gudmundsson introduces draft-gudmundsson-life-of-dnskey-00.txt,
"Names of States in the life of a DNSKEY", co-authored with Johan Ihren,
for a unification of terminology for DNS Key Management.
Key states are:
generated->published->used/active->retired->removed (and revoked)
Suggestion is to agree on terminology _before_ key management is widely
used and this draft is heading for "Informational". Olafur asks for
adoption as a WG item.
John Dickinson: what about signature state terms?
Olafur: not covered yet, please send text if you feel this should
be covered.
Sam Weiler suggests the topic belonged in a rewrite of the DNS or DNSSEC
specification and also feels that this draft is not a good start
for this work.
Rob is asking for a "hum":
1) adopt this document
some
2) take up the work, but not with this draft
low volume
3) don't work on the topic
silence
Rough consensus in favor of adopting the document, pending list
confirmation.
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5) Current & New Topics [ 16:05 {audio 0:59:23} ]
o Design Team on
"Requirements for a Nameserver Configuration and Control Protocol"
Jaap gives a short overview:
4 IETFs ago - protocol proposal, going nowhere
2 IETFs ago - design team set up to produce wish list
little happening now - unfinished, rough document
No final conclusion what to do, still working, but
slowly.
The lack of progress to date does not indicate lack of interest.
Design team is supposed to meet right after this dnsop session.
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7) I/O with other WGs [ 16:10 {audio 1:04:28} ]
o DNSEXT: DNS Cookies proposal (message authentication),
what operational effects would this have?
o V6OPS: NAT-PT involves interception and rewrite of DNS queries
and responses. Kurtis as co-chair of v6ops: don't revive NAT-PT,
but new translation mechanisms; asks for input regarding possible
better ways than NAT-PT, including DNS considerations.
James Woodyatt (Apple): current drafts try to get away from DNS-ALG,
would like to have DNS review; Kurtis: working on requirements, not
a new NAT-PT!
Ed: is "totd" similar to what you are looking at? "yes"
Mark Andrews gives a detailed commentary about DNSSEC and totd.
Chairs will coordinate and make relevant pointers available to dnsop.
o ENUM: EDNS0 deployment
Olafur Gudmundsson: DNSEXT is revising EDNS0 specification, one
proposal is to make EDNS0 mandatory to implement and use, which may
solve this issue
Alex Mayerhofer: ENUM WG also works on ENUM Service Guidelines,
which has "DNS Considerations"; asking for review; Alex is going
to send a pointer to the draft to the dnsop list.
Brian Dickson and Stephane Bortzmeyer point the WG to the Routing
Reserach Group (RRG), meeting Friday morning. RRG may have new rr types
that need review; some id/locator mapping proposals make use of the DNS.
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8) A.O.B. [ 16:22 {audio 1:16:39} ]
NONE
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Z) Meeting closed [ 16:23 {audio 1:17:15} ]
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