Thanks for the thoughtful response, Andrew.   I think we both agree that we 
need more clarity about this distinction we’ve been talking about regarding the 
distinction between the DNS namespace and domain names as a separate concept.   
I don’t entirely see the risk to the IETF that you are talking about with 
respect to ICANN.   However, I think that whatever the motivation, we should 
try to get clarity on that.   I thought your comment on that particular point 
during the DNSOP meeting was very helpful, and I hope that there is an 
opportunity to find some common ground and also improve the situation on that 
basis.

As for the two-hats comment, I can’t agree with you there.   Serving in IETF 
leadership is an amazing privilege, and it is a hard job (at least that was my 
experience).   Trying to engage in the sort of compartmentalization that the 
two-hat model implies is, in my experience, not possible, and it’s important 
not to have illusions about that.   Rather, we should trust the IETF 
participants who are not in leadership roles to help us stay on track, without 
beating each other up when we realize that we’ve painted a bit outside the 
lines.   Otherwise the leadership role becomes very isolating and stressful.   
These roles are unpaid volunteer positions with no particularly clear job 
description, so behaving precisely correctly is just really unlikely.   FWIW, I 
think that your response here is exactly right, and just what I was looking 
for, so thank you for that.

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