On Fri, May 06, 2016 at 07:53:50PM +0000,
 Adrien de Croy <[email protected]> wrote 
 a message of 39 lines which said:

> There's also RFC 2804 which is much more sensible and less likely to
> pit engineers against governments.

Our priority is the users, not the governments, I think. RFC 3935,
section 2: "The IETF has found that the process works best when
focused around people, rather than around organizations, companies,
governments or interest groups."

And RFC 2804 was written a long time ago, when people were still able
to believe that there was little or no surveillance. We now know that
surveillance is *massive* and *persistent*.

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