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Much thanks to Matthijs for providing text - I really apprecaite it. I
have integrated / merged it.
If anyone has additional wildcard text please let me know -- otherwise
are we calling this cooked?
On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 8:44 AM, Matthijs Mekking
> Hi Warren,
> On 08-10-16 00:57, Warren Kumari wrote:
>> On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 8:06 AM, Matthijs Mekking <matth...@pletterpet.nl>
>>> I reviewed this draft and while it is shaping up nicely, I don't think it is
>>> quite ready for publication:
>>> 1. As John pointed out earlier, the document makes an inconsistent use of
>>> RFCC 2119 keywords, and we need to decide whether to use MAY or SHOULD.
>>> Looking at the definitions of the keywords again I am leaning towards MAY,
>>> but given the described benefits I could see how SHOULD would be
>>> appropriate. Either way, it should be consistent. Also, the used keyword for
>>> NSEC should not be different than that for NSEC3.
>> Ok, I *think* that I have this correct, but it MAY still be muddled. :-)
> It is still muddled :(
> In Section 5: [SHOULD]
> If the validating resolver's cache has sufficient information to
> validate the query, the resolver SHOULD use NSEC/NSEC3/wildcard
> records aggressively.
> In Section 5.1 NSEC: [SHOULD]
> Implementations which support aggressive use of NSEC SHOULD enable
> this by default.
> In Section 5.1 NSEC3: [MAY]
> A validating resolver implementation MAY support aggressive use of
> NSEC3. If it does support aggressive use of NSEC3, it SHOULD enable
> this by default.
> In Section 5.2 Wildcards: [MAY]
> As long as the validating resolver can determine that a name would
> not exist without the wildcard match, it MAY synthesize an answer for
> that name using the cached deduced wildcard.
> An implementation MAY support aggressive use of wildcards.
>>> 2. In addition to the first point, I don't think it is appropriate to use
>>> RFC 2119 keywords to dictate name server configuration. Mentioning it would
>>> be useful to have configuration options for enabling and disabling this
>>> functionality seems okay, but drop the RFC 2119 formalities.
>> I think that we came to agreement further down-thread that it is OK to
>> have this. If you disagree with this, please provide some text....
> The argument for this being OK is that there exist other RFCs that do
> that. Personally I find that is not a very convincing argument :)
> There is PR with suggested text:
> In here everything in Section 5 is a SHOULD, and key words related to
> configurations are downgraded to lower case.
>>> 3. In section 6 on Benefits, it says "currently around 65% of queries to
>>> Root Name servers result in NXDOMAIN responses." This is quickly outdated,
>>> A similar layout for NSEC3 should be provided, and I am willing to provide
>>> that if this layout is accepted.
>> So, I have incorporated a number of changes around this section, and
>> much of it has been rewritten. I *think* that this is now clearer, and
>> covers your concern -- however, I've been staring at the same text for
>> many hours, and shuffling text back and forth, and so I may simply be
>> confused. Please let me know if you still think it needs changing.
> Yes, this is indeed much clearer, and takes away my concerns. The
> mentioned PR has some minor changes with respect to this though.
> Best regards,
>>> Best regards,
>>> On 22-09-16 14:19, Tim Wicinski wrote:
>>>> This draft has been worked on and it seems that the Working Group is
>>>> happy with the updates that have been made and I feel it's ready for the
>>>> next step.
>>>> This starts a Working Group Last Call for:
>>>> "Aggressive use of NSEC/NSEC3"
>>>> Current versions of the draft is available here:
>>>> Please review the draft and offer relevant comments. Also, if someone
>>>> feels the document is *not* ready for publication, please speak out with
>>>> your reasons.
>>>> It's currently marked as "Proposed Standard", so if folks feel
>>>> differently then please speak up.
>>>> This starts a two week Working Group Last Call process, and ends at
>>>> midnight 7 October 2016 UTC.
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I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad
idea in the first place.
This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing
regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair
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