i object to serve-stale as proposed. my objection is fundamental and goes to the semantics. no editorial change would resolve the problem.

i would withdraw that objection if this draft incorporates section 2 of https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-vixie-dnsext-resimprove-00, to wit:

2. Delegation Revalidation Upon NS RRSet Expiry

   2.1. Because the delegating NS RRset at the bottom of the parent zone
   and the apex NS RRset in the child zone are unsynchronized, the TTL
   of the parent's delegating NS RRset is meaningless. A child zone's
   apex NS RRset is authoritative and thus has a higher cache
   credibility than the parent's delegating NS RRset, so, the NS RRset
   "below the cut" immediately replaces the parent's delegating NS RRset
   in cache when an iterative caching DNS resolver crosses a zone cut.

   2.2. The lowest TTL found in a parent zone's delegating NS RRset
   should be stored in the cache and used to trigger delegation
   revalidation as follows.  Whenever a cached RRset is being considered
   for use in a response, the cache should be walked upward toward the
   root, looking for expired delegations. At the first expired
   delegation encountered while walking upward toward the root,
   revalidation should be triggered, putting the processing of dependent
   queries on hold until validation is complete.

   2.3. To revalidate a delegation, the iterative caching DNS resolver
   will forward the query that triggered revalidation to the nameservers
   at the closest enclosing zone cut above the revalidation point. While
   searching for these nameservers, additional revalidations may occur,
   perhaps placing an entire chain of dependent queries on hold,
   unwinding in downward order as revalidations closer to the root must
   be complete before revalidations further from the root can begin.

   2.4. If a delegation can be revalidated at the same node, then the
   old apex NS RRset should be deleted from cache and then the new
   delegating NS RRset should be stored in cache. The minimum TTL from
   the new delegating NS RRset should also be stored in cache to
   facilitate future revalidations. This order of operations ensures
   that the RRset credibility rules do not prevent the new delegating NS
   RRset from entering the cache. It is expected that the child's apex
   NS RRset will rapidly replace the parent's delegating NS RRset as
   soon as iteration restarts after the revalidation event.

   2.5. If the new delegating NS RRset cannot be found (RCODE=NXDOMAIN)
   or if there is a new zone cut at some different level of the
   hierarchy (insertion or deletion of a delegation point above the
   revalidation point) or if the new RRset shares no nameserver names in
   common with the old one (indicating some kind of redelegation, which
   is rare) then the cache should be purged of all names and RRsets at
   or below the revalidation point. This facilitates redelegation or
   revocation of a zone by a parent zone administrator, and also
   conserves cache storage by deleting unreachable data.

   2.6. To make the timing of a revalidation event unpredictable from
   the point of view of a potential cache-spoof attacker, the parent's
   delegating NS RRset TTL should be reduced by a random fraction of its
   value before being stored for use in revalidation activities.

in other words, we'd be negotiating for the right to re-interpret existing signaling (the authority's TTL no longer purely governs the data's lifetime) by insisting that the parent zone's delegating TTL be given absolute power for revocation.

vixie

_______________________________________________
DNSOP mailing list
DNSOP@ietf.org
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop

Reply via email to