An improvement, but still:

1.3 - general  - add something like "Specifically, ZONEMD covers the integrity of <your text here> records that are not otherwise covered by DNSSEC".

1.3.5 - "zone digest calculation" not simply "zone digest" - this doesn't require a ZONEMD record.

1.3.2, 1.3.3 and 1.3.4 are mostly "off-line" (not DNS in-band) services.  It's still unclear to me the value of a ZONEMD record vs something like a hash (signed or unsigned) separately published (ala root key down loads, or various software with published hashes)  1.3.1 may have some benefit... but still may be just another off-line service.

I think you still missed the point on Scheme/Digest mechanism.   For Scheme 1 - SIMPLE - the ancillary data is 1 byte of digest algorithm indicator and N bytes of the actual digest per the digest, and the digest is calculated per section 3.  For scheme 2 -N  - the ancillary data is not specified, and the RR may not have a digest indicator, or may have several indicators or fields.   Describing the RRSet as Scheme plus data, and then describing the format of the SIMPLE scheme's data field is clearer for the extension model.      That also implies that any RRSet with a unknown scheme has to be digested as if the entire data field (e.g. including the digest field for SIMPLE) is zeros*****.


2.1 - "Included" is confusing here. Instead "the digest is calculated over the data as-is and the RR is not replaced by a placeholder RR.

3.1 - Could be misunderstood as written. In the second para "one or more placeholder ZONEMD RR(s) are added (one for each digest in the SIMPLE scheme and as many as are required to cover new schemes)".  Last paragraph becomes redundant (and it's actually multiple ZONEMD RRs not digests).

*****(and as I think about it - what would be the harm in not including ZONEMD placeholder records in the ZONEMD digest -e.g. just skip them?)

4.1 - move the text up before the text for 4. and delete the subsection.  Style wise, RFCs try and avoid single subsections under a section.

Section 5 - what's the requirement to add new entries to the registries being defined?   Expert Review, RFC?

6.2 assumes the zonemd record is NOT calculated on the fly or dynamically upon request.

6.3 last paragraph conflicts with 4.1 - e.g. if all you have is a private hash, then you can't verify ZONEMD and .... well you get the point.   Basically, you have no signalling mechanism for when you might be dependent on this record past NSEC/NSEC3.   I don't know how to resolve these two.

7.1 - add "This calculation does not take into the account any time required to canonicalize a zone for processing".


Later, Mike





On 2/24/2020 6:06 PM, Wessels, Duane wrote:
All,

This version of the ZONEMD draft incorporates and addresses the feedback we 
received from the working group last call.  The list of changes is below.

Note there is one important change to the RDATA fields that we believe 
addresses concerns about future proofing.

Previously there was a field named Digest Type, whose meaning incorporated both the hash 
algorithm (e.g. SHA384) and a scheme for organizing the zone data as input to the hash 
function (e.g. "simple").  These have been split into separate fields now (Hash 
Algorithm and Scheme).  The Parameter field has been dropped, but we feel its intended 
use can still be accomplished with the Scheme field.

We hope this version addresses all the comments received.  If there are any 
omissions it was not intentional.

DW



    From -03 to -04:

    o  Addressing WGLC feedback.

    o  Changed from "Digest Type + Paramter" to "Scheme + Hash
       Algorithm".  This should make it more obvious how ZONEMD can be
       expanded in the future with new schemes and hash algorithms, while
       sacrificing some of the flexibility that the Parameter was
       intended to provide.

    o  Note: old RDATA fields: Serial, Digest Type, Parameter, Digest.

    o  Note: new RDATA fields: Serial, Scheme, Hash Algorithm, Digest.

    o  Add new IANA requirement for a Scheme registry.

    o  Rearranged some sections and separated scheme-specific aspects
       from general aspects of digest calculation.

    o  When discussing multiple ZONEMD RRs, allow for Scheme, as well as
       Hash Algorithm, transition.

    o  Added Performance Considerations section with some benchmarks.

    o  Further clarifications about non-apex ZONEMD RRs.

    o  Clarified inclusion rule for duplicate RRs.

    o  Removed or lowercased some inappropriately used RFC 2119 key
       words.

    o  Clarified that all ZONEMD RRs, even for unsupported hash
       algorithms, must be zeroized during digest calculation.

    o  Added Resilience and Fragility to security considerations.

    o  Updated examples since changes in this version result in different
       hash values.



On Feb 24, 2020, at 2:53 PM, [email protected] wrote:


A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Domain Name System Operations WG of the IETF.

        Title           : Message Digest for DNS Zones
        Authors         : Duane Wessels
                          Piet Barber
                          Matt Weinberg
                          Warren Kumari
                          Wes Hardaker
        Filename        : draft-ietf-dnsop-dns-zone-digest-04.txt
        Pages           : 32
        Date            : 2020-02-24

Abstract:
   This document describes a protocol and new DNS Resource Record that
   can be used to provide a cryptographic message digest over DNS zone
   data.  The ZONEMD Resource Record conveys the digest data in the zone
   itself.  When a zone publisher includes an ZONEMD record, recipients
   can verify the zone contents for accuracy and completeness.  This
   provides assurance that received zone data matches published data,
   regardless of how the zone data has been transmitted and received.

   ZONEMD is not designed to replace DNSSEC.  Whereas DNSSEC protects
   individual RRSets (DNS data with fine granularity), ZONEMD protects a
   zone's data as a whole, whether consumed by authoritative name
   servers, recursive name servers, or any other applications.

   As specified at this time, ZONEMD is not designed for use in large,
   dynamic zones due to the time and resources required for digest
   calculation.  The ZONEMD record described in this document is
   designed so that new digest schemes may be developed in the future to
   support large, dynamic zones.


The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dnsop-dns-zone-digest/

There are also htmlized versions available at:
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dnsop-dns-zone-digest-04
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-dnsop-dns-zone-digest-04

A diff from the previous version is available at:
https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-dnsop-dns-zone-digest-04


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