What's the problem that you're trying to solve asking validators not to use
PQ-downgrade protection?

On Thu, Oct 8, 2026 at 2:46 PM Philip Homburg <[email protected]>
wrote:

> This came up in a discussion today, and I had some thoughts about it
> before,
> so I'll write this message to hope that it doesn't get lost.
>
> There are two things for me that motivate this, one the on hand
> the Cloudflare experiment with downgrade protection and the other is
> the notion that other protocols, such as TLS and SSH, are using hybrid
> algorithms.
>
> So the idea is the following: the zone owner (or the signer on behalf of
> the zone owner) should be able to signal intent to the validator.
>
> For example, the zone could signal that PQC downgrade protection is
> supported.
> This means that the entire zone is signed with a PQC algorithm and that
> a validator that implements downgrade protection can saefely do that
> without
> risk of bogus result due to the lack of PQC signatures.
>
> A zone could also signal support for hybrid validation where the validator
> checks both a PQC signature and a classical (EC or RSA) one. This means
> that the entire zone signed by two algorithms. And that a validator
> could decided to only consider an RRset properly signed when both check
> out.
>
> Some operators may want to use a PQC KSK and a short-lived ECDSA ZSK. And
> they want to signal that this is not an attack but intentionally.
>
> Finally, there may be zone signed by multiple parties in a multi-signer
> setup who are in various states of transitioning to PQC algorithms.
>
> Note, the idea is to signal the intent of the zone owner (or signer). It is
> not a requirement that a validator implements downgrade protection,
> hybrid or anything else.
>
> I will leave out potential solutions to this to just focus on requirements.
> I think this is something we need to pick up. Probably not here in dnsop,
> but
> this is all I've got at the moment. So in the future dns* wg or in a
> dedicated
> PQC wg.
>
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