At 18:53 -0400 8/24/06, Suresh Krishnaswamy wrote:

You'd still want to control errant queries though, since the fiat of
a single internal recursive name server may not always be
enforceable. Also, the presence of the boundary recursive name server
gives us the nice property that queries to the outside world are not
directly made from within the internal network segment.

Errant queries? I don't believe in them. Every thing happens by design or fat-fingering. Tannenbaum does not roll dice with the network.

This is why we need to have a definition of split-view.

A "fiat of a single internal recursive name server" is certainly enforceable. What happens if someone runs a server counter to local policy. If noticed, it'll be debugged and fixed. If someone doesn't fix it and is supposed to, they will be fired. That's enforcement.

Split-view is run within a management domain, ergo, there's enforcement.

This is why we need a definition of split-view. And operational assumptions. It's possible to screw up a split-view configuration and this is why the IETF seems to want to sweep this issue under a rug. But the fact is that many do use it successfully despite a lack of guidance from the IETF, and no one is running around screaming that the sky is falling.

I currently operate in an environment that uses split-view. (And at every place I've worked for the past decade.) Occasionally I do send queries directly to the outside world. I do this by running a local non-policy-compliant server when I am debugging something or checking out a problem I hear about on a mailing list. When I break policy the world does not come to an end. "Border recursive servers" aren't needed (but can be), aren't always there (but can be) in split-view environments.[0]

Note, however, if I told others in my environment to use my Mac's recursive server behind the firewalls and managed to cause a great financial loss to the company, you bet I'd experience "enforcement."

[0] I've worked in places with firewalls that "hijack" DNS traffic and enforce split-view there. I"ve also worked in places where the firewalls do not proxy DNS. In both kinds of places, split-view works. This is what I mean by separating layer 7 splits and layer 3 splits.

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