On 18 Dec 2007, at 12:53, Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven wrote:

-On [20071214 19:24], Geraint North ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
So in your example, I (as a reader) would want consistency between van Beethoven and Van Zandt - I don't care how they like their name printed, I just want to be able to find the "Van someone" that I vaguely remember in the list. Indeed, if we were treating the references list like an Index (another structure optimised for human-search), each name would appear
twice.

That's what you want, however, in the Netherlands the van part of the family name carries no meaning. Someone called Peter van Zandt would be sorted under the Z, not the V. And the same applies for some other countries. Take for an even nicer example a Dutch woman who married this Peter van Zandt: Ineke ten Bravoure-van Zandt. These so-called 'tussenvoegsels have no meaning when it comes to sorting. So if you would sort Peter van Zandt under the V, you'd boggle the minds of the Dutch readers at least. So they, as readers, would
want that consistency intact. ;)

Absolutely (but I didn't know about the married name convention, interesting). This is why I think that the sorting of names is of very limited use in electronic publications, as I, as a reader really need to search for the name fragment that I remember, because I don't know all of these conventions.

Thanks,

Geraint North
Principal Engineer
Transitive
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