hello bill

it is really great to hear your and your friends comments.


> Is http://www.bullitt.suite.dk/mod_perl_site/var_c/ the current design?

no, that is more or less my version - sort of an idea domain.

 
> design -- something most people don't even think about.  His comment was
> that the mod_perl/camel logo and the "welcome to mod_perl" are in
> competition -- "your eye doesn't know where to start" was his comment.  He
> says there needs to be "air" above the "welcome to mod_perl" box to let
> your eye flow (more like the about page where the bread crumb is above
> forcing the title lower) -- specifically he said move it down to the line
> of the feather or below.

i think most people agree here, and if we are lucky someone
will come up with a new and better logo.

 

> The other main point was that there's two table of contents -- the left nav
> bar and the table of contents below.  He thought that was somewhat
> confusing, and maybe just integrated with the sidebar nav (or some title
> bar nav (site vs. content navigation)).

i agree on this point but dont see a proper way to avoid it
in the current designs around

 
> He also said the side bar navigation design in boxes makes you want to
> click on the box, yet with the style sheet design you have to click on the
> actual text.  I agree that's a bit awkward.


akward, but you'll soon get the hang of it :). 
well, in a way im serious. i think i see what your point is
but in my opnion too many nice designs have gone out of the
window because of either userability-reasons and/or hanging
on to old-skool conventions. at one point in my
web-experience i found it strange that some links wasnt
underlined, today that is pretty normal and accepted. have
you ever looked at un-experienced web-users? it is not like
they afraid to click on anything on a page (and often
doubleclick :-)) so in that sense i think they'll soon get
the hang of it:-)
 

> Finally, I never saw the argument for not using tables (I suppose I could
> search the archive ;). 

you'll find some


> I think it's cool when CSS works, but there's a
> large number of clients where it doesn't work.  Netscape 4.0x is still very
> common, and it doesn't work in that browser.  Any idea what percent of
> browsers visiting modperl.apache.org are browsers that won't render that
> page?  I doubt people will upgrade their browsers just because the
> modperl.apache.org site doesn't display correctly.


i think if we keep strict html/css there will be minor
damage for non-css browsers.
i mean it is not like those users cannot read the content
and navigate on the site, it will just not look the same (i hope).

you mention it
(http://www.bullitt.suite.dk/mod_perl_site/var_c/) does not
work in Netscape 4.0x. do you mean it looks like crap or is
it something that litterally doesnt work? i use netscape
4.79 and everything is ok (only slighly worse than ie 5.0
and opera 5.0, all macintosh)


thanks again
./allan

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