Hi :) Ok, the page looks tidy as it is. It is great to hear that the DRM issue is not a problem any more :) I think offering the complete books is better than splitting them up into chapters for mobile devices, if they can handle it. I just didn't know which way you were going to go.
Great stuff :)) Regards from Tom :) --- On Fri, 25/11/11, Jean Weber <[email protected]> wrote: From: Jean Weber <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: GS with LibO in ePub on Lulu.com To: [email protected] Date: Friday, 25 November, 2011, 9:38 And if we collectively think it's an important enough format (that is, will be popular enough), then I suggest we make some changes in our design template and styles to overcome the few conspicuous formatting problems. Note: I have not yet identified all the problems, nor the solutions. At this point I am dubious about the popularity of the ePub format for our user guides, although I am keen on ePub in general, so I personally would not put a high priority on work to improve the results... at this time. --Jean On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 19:29, Jean Weber <[email protected]> wrote: > Tom, > I will only be creating (through Lulu) ePubs for the full books, not > the individual chapters. Of course, others can do whatever they want > if they have a tool to do a decent job. > > --Jean > > On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 19:15, Tom Davies <[email protected]> wrote: >> Hi :) >> It is excellent and looks tidy too!! Thanks Jean! Being able to read a >> guide on one screen while doing work on another is a good step forwards. I >> have a different system but i can imagine people really liking this as it >> greatly increases flexibility. >> >> I think the 1st paragraph on that page needs to be re-written. I was >> thinking about addign a paragraph or bullet-point list to explain the >> crucial differences between the formats we offer. ie >> * Pdf - clickable links from the Table of Contents. Always looks the same >> on any display. >> * Odt - allows you to edit and personalise. >> * ePub - for iPad and other mobile devices >> >> Then we could have lines more like >> 4 Getting Started with Writer Odt, Pdf or ePub 32pages 16 >> Dec 2010 >> >> The columns are ready for the 3.4.x guides to be added alongside the 3.3.x >> guides but once they are almost all added i might switch them around so that >> the 3.4.x branch is first. Just trying to avoid blatant gaps. >> Regards from >> Tom :) >> >> >> --- On Fri, 25/11/11, Ian Leyton <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> From: Ian Leyton <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: GS with LibO in ePub on Lulu.com >> To: [email protected] >> Date: Friday, 25 November, 2011, 4:49 >> >> On 25/11/11 2:31 PM, Jean Weber wrote: >>> Latest info: >>> I have uploaded the Getting Started ePub to this wiki page: >>> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications >>> >>> Here is a direct link: >>> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/6/6c/0100GS3-GettingStartedLibO.epub >>> >>> It's about 22MB. I've not tested downloading it from the wiki to see >>> if it's okay. >>> >>> I've found some info on transferring files to the iPad or other >>> devices (Android etc). For iPad one can go through iTunes (manually >>> adding the file to Books in iTunes) or -- especially for those on >>> Linux -- in other ways, including (I think) using Stanza or other >>> programs to download the file directly. >>> >>> Here are some links for those using Calibre on their computer: >>> >>> Calibre + Apple iDevices: Start here >>> http://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=118559 >>> >>> Calibre Device Integration >>> http://manual.calibre-ebook.com/faq.html#device-integration >>> >>> As I collect more info, I'll add it to this thread. >>> >>> --Jean >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 08:07, Jean Weber<[email protected]> wrote: >>>> Further info... >>>> >>>> The same file, viewed in Calibre on the Mac, displays MUCH better than >>>> in ADR. The Tip/Note/Caution tables still look silly, but the bullets >>>> and numbers are aligned and display correctly. The print and copy >>>> functions work fine in Calibre. (Note: I have not recreated the file; >>>> I am simply viewing it using Calibre's viewer.) >>>> >>>> As the publisher of these books, I can download the ePub without using >>>> ADR. Therefore, I can upload it to our wiki and/or to Alfresco, so >>>> people can get it for free and without going through Lulu.com and ADR. >>>> I'll do that later today. >>>> >>>> I haven't tested this file yet in any other ePub readers, so if others >>>> have a chance to do so (once I get the file uploaded where you can get >>>> it), that would be useful. We can then write up a little "how to" to >>>> help people view the file, copy it to their mobile devices, etc. I can >>>> see a blog post coming on! >>>> >>>> What excites me most about this is having Lulu.com do the conversion work. >>>> ;-) >>>> >>>> --Jean >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 21:05, Jean Weber<[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> FYI... >>>>> >>>>> Lulu.com has converted our "Getting Started with LibreOffice 3" book >>>>> to ePub format. I finally got around to downloading the ePub to see >>>>> what it looked like. (For newcomers to this list: printed copies of >>>>> the LibO user guides are made available through Lulu.com.) >>>>> >>>>> The good news is that the ePub is not nearly as bad as I expected from >>>>> my own trial conversions of OOo books over a year ago; the text is >>>>> readable and the figures are in place and sized reasonably. >>>>> >>>>> There is a lot of bad news, however. First, the layout has suffered. >>>>> For example, the Tip/Note/Caution tables look both wrong and silly (a >>>>> box with the Tip/Note/Caution words as a sort of heading, then a big >>>>> gap, and then the text). Another example: The bullets and numbers on >>>>> lists are offset into what would be the left-hand margin, but there >>>>> really isn't a margin on the left, so they fall off the edge of the >>>>> "page". At some magnifications, two "columns" or "pages" appear >>>>> side-by-side, so numbers and bullets on lists in the right-hand column >>>>> are visible. There are other conspicuous problems as well. Most or all >>>>> can probably be solved by making some changes in our styles and >>>>> template, if we decide that's worth doing at some point in the future >>>>> -- and when someone works out what needs to be done. >>>>> >>>>> Another problem is that Lulu is using a form of DRM that requires use >>>>> of Adobe Digital Reader to download the ePub from Lulu's website, and >>>>> they didn't tell me that until after I had purchased the book. I >>>>> object to this in principle, especially given the CC-BY license on the >>>>> books, and the fact that ADR apparently doesn't run on Linux. I may >>>>> pull the ePub from Lulu because of that, and try producing our own >>>>> (DRM-free) ePubs for distribution through our own website. >>>>> >>>>> The Adobe website says that one can move (copy?) ePubs from ADR to >>>>> various ebook readers, including iPads, but I haven't attempted to do >>>>> that yet. >>>>> >>>>> --Jean >>>>> >> Jean >> >> It downloads ok and works in Calibre(version 0.8.27) on a Mac OS. Only >> thing is when you first open it. It jumps to 157/564 rather than the >> first page. Minor issue. >> >> Ian >> >> -- >> Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to [email protected] >> Problems? >> http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >> Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >> List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ >> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be >> deleted >> >> >> -- >> Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to [email protected] >> Problems? >> http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >> Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >> List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ >> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be >> deleted >> >> > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to [email protected] Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to [email protected] Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
