On 11/26/2011 09:55 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
Sorry, I forgot to sign this so it would line-wrap for folks whose email
clients won't do it for them.
Also, where I say below that an iCLA is required if a contribution to an Apache
project is to be made, there are other ways. A work could be contributed under
an SGA (Software Grant Agreement, I think.) The SGA provides a permissive
license to Apache that allows the work to be licensed as an Apache project
result. It has to be done by someone entitled to do so. (That is what Oracle
did in licensing OpenOffice.org to the ASF. Oracle still holds the copyright
though and other licenses of the same content are not revocable. That's why
the Oracle grant does not interfere with TDF continuing with LO as a derivative
of the LGPLd OO.o software. Although new work from AOO under ALv2 will be
third-party to TDF, etc., etc.)
-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 18:25
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Licensing for NEW documents
I'm not quite clear what Alex is observing about rebranding of the New
documents Jean is talking about. Let's break it down into parts.
If someone who did not hold the copyright made a derivative work of those
documents to rebrand them for Apache OpenOffice, change screen shots, etc.,
they would need to honor the original license. (If it is dual licensed the
creator of the derivative has a choice which license(s) to produce the
derivative under.)
If someone who held the copyright on the New documents were to make the
derivative, they could certainly offer a different (dual) license. By either
route, even if one of the available licenses were an Apache ALv2 license, it
still would not constitute a contribution to the Apache OpenOffice project.
Contribution is a separate act.
Now, to have it also be contributed to an Apache project, there would have to
be a contribution agreement (iCLA). Whether that is done or not is a separate
decision.
An Apache project, or any other project for which the ALv2 license is
compatible could also rely on the new document as a 3rd party work. In the
case of an Apache project, this would not happen if the licensor objected.
A final example: If I wrote a new document that applied to LO and licensed it
in a way that TDF accepts, I could also rebrand and modify it myself and offer
a different license on that version. I am in a position to go farther and
contribute the rebranded one to the Apache OpenOffice project too. That
involves more steps, even though I have already registered an iCLA with ASF.
[I'm not going to get into how ODF Authors and others might hold joint
copyright and how that complicates new licensing and especially contribution to
ASF.]
- Dennis
-----Original Message-----
From: Alex Thurgood [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 14:35
To: [email protected]
Subject: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Licensing for NEW documents
Le 26/11/2011 20:15, Dennis E. Hamilton a écrit :
Hi Dennis,
There is absolutely no requirement to file an iCLA with the Apache Software
Foundation in order to use the Apache License v2.0. The iCLA is for
contributors to Apache projects. It says so right in the part quoted below.
Many projects not carried out as Apache projects use the license. (Compare
with using the GPL versus contributing to a Gnu project, the latter generally
requiring a license to FSF.)
Sounds like it is best to stick with a Creative Commons license only for
LO with the author(s) having the rights to reassign to others as they
wish. The problem with reassignment, if I understand copyrights, is that
all the holders must agree or it not valid.
Thank you for specifying that. I admit that my mind was rather more
focussing on the possibility that the "new" (and I share Jean's
understanding of the same meaning of "new") LibreOffice documents, if
they were rebranded as AOOo documentation under AL2 as part of the AOOo,
would then constitute a contribution under that project and thus require
iCLAs.
Alex
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