On 11/12/2012 8:02 AM, Dan Lewis wrote:
On 11/12/2012 01:42 AM, Gary Schnabl wrote:
On 11/6/2012 2:56 AM, Peter Schofield wrote:
Hello Jean
I have just picked up my email and would like to make a comment about
templates.
Is it possible to simplify the number of styles used in the
template. For
example, the list style has three styles - start; cont; end. It
would be
much better to have only two styles - List1 or Number1 for a normal
list
and List2 and Number2 for a sub-list that is indented to start at
the text
for List1 or Number1.
Enjoying my holiday. Plenty of sun, swimming and beer.
Regards
PeterS
The primary purpose for the Start, Cont., and End paragraph styles
associated with the individual List n or Number n paragraph styles is
to add some extra vertical space after the very last list entry,
regardless of its level (of nesting). IOW, the formatting goal is to
have only one such "End" entry in a multilevel list (with the extra
space), and that "End" style is assigned to the very last list item,
which could be at any nesting level, depending upon whatever it was
that the author wrote.
One manner of eliminating those Start, Cont., and End styles for the
individual list nesting levels would be to define the overall list
differently--as a block that applies the extra vertical space
automatically at the end of the "''blocked" list (before the next
style following the list).
Gary
Then, Gary, why do the Start and Cont. styles have the same
values in the Indent & Spaces tab? Both styles aren't needed even now.
AFAIK, when used within a list, the indentation and tab settings of the
Start, Cont., and End paragraph styles are inactive and those formatting
functions are set via the tab and indentation fields of the list (not
paragraph...) styles that were employed for the list.
I believe that there are no differences between the Start and Cont.
styles. The End styles are employed to provide some vertical spacing
before the next item (following the last item in list)--explicitly set
via its (paragraph) style definition. Only one End style for the entire
list is employed (select the one for the appropriate level)--unless
someone wanted such vertical spacing inserted between interior list
items, for some odd reason or another.
Perhaps, a list could be set up as a block in a template revision so
that the appropriate vertical space could be automatically inserted
after the entire block--thereby not using any individual End styles or a
"blank" paragraph.
But perhaps a more important point: use of a numbered list in a
table. A single number and a single bullet list seems to be sufficient.
There is no good substitute for clear, effective writing and employing
editing oversight or rewriting whenever necessary. Cluttered, esoteric
content in tables should be avoided.
While we are at it, do we really need to have three numbered
lists: decimal (1,2,3), lower-alpha (a,b,c)), and lower-roman
(i,ii,iii)? Since these are used for level 1, level 2, and level 3
respectively, seems like this could be done with one style by
modifying the Options tab. With the number of lists that I use in my
writing, deciding which style to use at a given point and at what
level can become very confusing. This seems like an unnecessary
complexion.
--Dan
Yes, those are not really necessary, but having extra styles in the
style catalog does no harm--just don't use them, if you choose. Those
special numbered list styles you mentioned were not of my creation,
which were introduced by one or more other OOoAuthors template designers
a few years ago.
(I chose not to mettle on that account--so as not to stifle creativity
from volunteers, especially when they are so few and far between.) Back
during the formative OOo version 1.x and early version 2.x years prior
to 2006, OOoAuthors was not employing styles for their lists at all and
instead employed manual overrides (aka, direct formatting in the non
OOo/LO universe) for all their ordered and unordered (bullet) lists back
then.
Gary
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