Hi Rob,
That's fine, I completely understand.
It is good to circulate the factual stories and let others speculate.
Catch up again soon.
Regards Bob 

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Rob Thompson 
  To: [email protected] 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 9:48 AM
  Subject: Re: [DOG mailing list] Interesting legal information


  Hi Bob,
  I am happy for you to circulate details I have sent about the facts of the 
cases and legislation but I would prefer if the speculations and opinions I 
have made are left out. They are purely the musings of an amateur.



  cheers
  Rob

  Rob Thompson
  mobile 0429 493828


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  On Wednesday, 22 January 2014 9:43 AM, BOB BALFOUR <[email protected]> 
wrote:

  Hi Laurie,
  The two emails surely give rise to food for thought.
  Would you mind if I circulated this to Sydney Gliding Club members?.
  What are the ramifications.
  Does this now diminish the possible financial liability that Insurance 
companies have made provision for?.
  It is always an area where I was wary of "what could happen" as a Pilot with 
a passenger even with the Indemnity forms.
  We very rarely hear what are the legal issues that eventuate after bad 
gliding accidents.
  Regards Bob
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Laurie Hoffman 
    To: [email protected] 
    Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 7:14 PM
    Subject: Re: [DOG mailing list] Interesting legal information


    Hi Rob,
    This is great in terms of extra protection against litigation for those of 
us who provide gliding training. 


    I am really surprised however that the Act actually provides protection to 
a defendant who has been shown to be negligent in their responsibilities. I 
wonder if this negligence could be pursued under some other form of civil 
action?


    I found this article which provides further info and associated 
considerations on the event that Rob has described.
    
http://www.cbp.com.au/Publications/Civil-liability-for-personal-harm---dangerous--(1)


    Regards 
    Laurie Hoffman











    On Tuesday, 21 January 2014 6:56 PM, Rob Thompson 
<[email protected]> wrote:



    G'day All


    Happy 2014!   

    Here is something that will interest those of you who are aircraft 
operators in Australia. Chances are you have heard about this but not the 
ongoing significance.

    It is a legal case that seems to have redefined legal liability for 
passengers and students...not only for ultralights (which was the subject of 
the case) but also gliding and GA.


    I have heard stories that the insurance companies are sitting on this one. 
They are still charging significant premiums for pax/student liability but it 
now seems unlikely that they will ever have to pay out.


    Hmmmm..read on


    cheers

    Rob Thompson

        

        

    Noel Campbell v Rodney Victor Hay [2013] NSWDC 11 
    March 27, 2013 

    Introduction
    The District Court of NSW recently dismissed a plaintiff’s claim for 
injuries suffered as a result of an emergency landing of a light aircraft on 
the basis that the injuries suffered by the plaintiff resulted from the 
materialisation of an obvious risk of a dangerous recreational activity.
    Marks ADCJ held that although the defendant flight instructor was negligent 
in carrying out the emergency landing, the defendant was not liable for the 
plaintiff’s injuries pursuant to s5L of the Civil Liability Act (‘the Act’).
    Facts
    The plaintiff was a student of the defendant and was learning to fly a 
light aircraft. In the course of his second flying lesson the aircraft engine 
stopped. The defendant took control of the aircraft and executed an emergency 
landing during which the plaintiff sustained injuries.
    The plaintiff alleged that his injuries resulted from the defendant’s 
negligence in failing to abort the flight as soon as any engine ‘roughness’ 
appeared, attempting to land at an excessive speed, and flying over rough 
terrain with no suitable landing sites’, amongst other things.
    Marks ADCJ found that the defendant failed to exercise reasonable care for 
the safety of the plaintiff in not ensuring that the aircraft was flown towards 
an appropriate landing strip immediately after the second set of engine 
vibrations started and continuing to fly rather than trying to land the 
aircraft.’
    Dangerous recreational activity defence
    The defendant pleaded that the injuries suffered by the plaintiff resulted 
from the materialisation of an obvious risk of a dangerous recreational 
activity pursuant to s5L of the Act.
    Section 5L of the Act provides that:
    (1)   A person is not liable in negligence for harm suffered by another 
person as a result of an obvious risk of a dangerous recreational activity
    (2)   This section applies whether or not the plaintiff was aware of the 
risk.
    Marks ADCJ considered three questions:
      a.. Was the plaintiff engaged in a recreational activity? 
      b.. Was that recreational activity ‘dangerous’? 
      c.. Was there an obvious risk?
    His Honour held that the plaintiff clearly was engaged in recreational 
activity; this was not controversial.
    In considering whether the recreational activity engaged in by the 
plaintiff was ‘dangerous’, his Honour referred to s5K of the Act which defines 
a dangerous recreational activity as ‘a recreational activity that involved a 
significant risk of physical harm’.
    In assessing whether a recreational activity involves a significant risk of 
physical harm, Marks ADCJ stated that he must take into account ‘all of the 
relevant circumstances that bear on the activity in which the plaintiff was 
engaged at the time he suffered his injuries’. Those circumstances were that 
the plaintiff was flying with an experienced pilot in a single engine light 
aircraft, and that the aircraft was flying above ground and needed to be landed 
safely to avoid any risk of harm.
    His Honour held that there is a risk of something going wrong with the 
operation of any aircraft which will impact on the operation of the aircraft 
and the ability to land it safely. This finding was said by His Honour to be a 
matter of logic, common sense and general understanding likely to be shared in 
the public domain.
    Support for determination of the issues on this ‘common sense’ basis, 
provided there was a valid basis for doing so, was found in the numerous 
authorities to which Marks ADCJ referred.
    His Honour referred to and relied on evidence tendered by the defendant. 
That evidence included statistics in relation to the accidents involving light 
aircraft.
    His Honour held that having regard to the defendant’s evidence, the risk of 
something ‘going wrong’ in the operation of an aircraft in flight and in safely 
landing the aircraft could not be described as trivial, even though the risk of 
something going wrong occurred infrequently.
    On that basis, the court found that there was a significant risk of 
physical harm. This finding, coupled with the finding that there ‘was a not 
insignificant risk of something going wrong’ led the court to find that the 
recreational activity in which the plaintiff was engaged was dangerous for the 
purpose of s5L of the Act. Accordingly, the defendant was not found liable to 
the plaintiff for his injuries.
    Conclusion
    This case is useful in identifying the matters a defendant needs to prove 
in order to establish that the injuries suffered by a plaintiff resulted from 
the materialisation of an obvious risk of a dangerous recreational activity.
    Authored by Kathryn Langton, Lawyer, Sydney.




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    On Thursday, 19 December 2013 2:25 PM, Ian Mc Phee <[email protected]> 
wrote:

    The magazine Airwaves which has comes out with this months Aviation Trader 
has a feature article from Hoffman to today with DA20s & DA40s etc. May  even 
worth a read
    Ian mcphee 






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