I’ve recently been talking to the factory about this because we are about to redo the ECO Dimona’s (which are GA registered).
The Fire_paint_process document Konrad refers to does list the products used by Diamond but this was their reply when I asked if that document still applied…. (Note the Coultard paint referenced in some manuals is no longer available and this is the replacement) they said it was an earlier document that was just a summary of the data sheets. They then clarified the application with the email below. -Cath > Begin forwarded message: > > From: Diamond Aircraft - Service Center Support > <support-aust...@diamondaircraft.com> > Subject: AW: Fireproof coating > Date: 6 March 2019 at 12:45:38 am ACDT > To: 'Catherine Conway' <cathconway...@gmail.com>, "Diamond Aircraft - Service > Center Support" <support-aust...@diamondaircraft.com> > Cc: "catherine.con...@airborneresearch.org.au" > <catherine.con...@airborneresearch.org.au> > > Hi Cath, > > actually the paint manufacturers instructions shall be used acc. to our AMM: > > Those are usually part of the shipment but can also be found at the > manufacturers website. Alternatively if you can´t get hold of them we should > also have those manuals at our disposal. > The document you found on the internet is actually a summary of the > individual technical data sheets. I attached the one for the 9008B099D clear > coat for your reference, it´s available on the PPG Aerospace website. > > Regarding the usage of materials: Yes, indeed, currently only PPG Products > are approved for our A/C. I know that because I had a similar request from > one of our SCs in Australia about two weeks ago and already clarified it with > our engineering. > They wanted to use some alternative products because the specific paint > needed seemed not to be available in Australia. We don´t recommend to use > alternative products, since only the PPG ones have undergone our > certification tests. > > > Mit freundlichen Grüßen/ Best Regards > > Ing. Kevin RUMPLER > Service Center Support > > Diamond Aircraft Industries GmbH > N.A. 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This statement is for informational purposes > only and does not constitute as an order or offer. > > > On 20 Mar 2019, at 11:55 am, Konrad FDU <maierho...@fly-down-under.com> wrote: > > G'day all, > > for the HK36 (not sure about the H36) the sheet is fibre frax and the > adhesive. Both available from Aircraft Spruce. > On the HK36 there are two types of paint used. See attached pdfs. > > Regards > Konrad > > Von: dog@lists.riverland.net.au [mailto:dog@lists.riverland.net.au] Im > Auftrag von Rob Thompson > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 20. März 2019 01:31 > An: dog@lists.riverland.net.au > Betreff: Re: [DOG mailing list] AD687 and AN175 > > G'day All, > > As per Nigel's flame test the HK36 Firewall construction materials may not be > particularly satisfactory.....The HK36 was built just after the asbestos era > and some of the fireproofing materials were still a bit experimental. The > following description from the manual does seem however to indicate that the > factory firewall does "technically" pass the AD 687 test and painting it > would be optional. > 7.2.2 FUSELAGE > The GFRP fuselage is manufactured in semi-monocoque construction. A special > fire-resistant fabric sheet is sandwiched between a stainless steel barrier > and the firewall.... > > As per my last email the H36 appears to have a material sheet under the > stainless steel which should also make it technically acceptable for the > AD687. The H36 does come from the asbestos era. So BE VERY CAREFUL when you > are dealing with it. > > More research needed. > > regards > Rob > > Rob Thompson > 0429 493 828 > (Please note that my new email address is amessageto...@gmail.com > <mailto:amessageto...@gmail.com>) > > > > On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 11:39 PM Nigel Baker <ni...@limbachaustralia.com > <mailto:ni...@limbachaustralia.com>> wrote: >> To those on this list being in OZ and affected by the Ad and AN I have sent >> a mail to the CAD and Author of the said documents. >> So for your info mail below. >> >> >> Hi Andrew, Mike and Dennis. >> >> I agree something needs to be done. I have been going on about fire risk >> mitigation at every engine course but would like to add comment. >> Reading the data on firewalls I interpret that I will need to paint the >> stainless firewall of NHB. >> The stainless steel firewall in the HK36 Dimona is bonded to the glass >> structure with a white material that resemble fine polystyrene foam but >> clearly is not. It is about 3mm thick. >> I conducted a flame test on it and it was reasonable in regards fire >> resistant but not as much as the fuel hoses I like. Additionally it has >> basically limited or little insulating properties that I can see. BY the >> time it started to degrade the resin in the structure behind was smoking as >> was the white bonding. It took less than 1 minute to get this result and >> certainly nowhere near the temps Mike is talking. I cant see any other >> real purpose for it other than a bonding agent. >> It may have some fire protection properties but I cant see much at all. >> >> The H36 Dimona has the stainless steel riveted the structure. Tapping it >> delivers a hollow sound so does not appear to be bonded. >> >> Thus in both instances the way I read the data it means the firewall will >> have to be painted. In all practicality the engine needs to be removed in >> order to facilitate this. Also the stainless in both cases is polished so >> good access is needed to key it for adding another finish. >> >> The assessment requires a minimum F2 maintenance authority. Personally I >> dont agree with that. The sort of assessment we need is not covered in the >> F2 syllabus. Mike has done a great job in detailing the assessment. He has >> approached it well for the dummy. But the problem is we can never >> underestimate the dummies ability to cut the corner to doom. >> I believe it should be a periodic engine maintenance authority minimum. Even >> then there is nothing to say the individual has been trained properly due to >> our 24 year training void history. >> I think we could also use the opportunity to include fuel hose protection >> inspection. I have seen a lot of poorly fitted or deteriorated fire >> sheathing. Additionally hoses many years past replacement schedule. There is >> a lot to be addressed in fuel systems and needs a further AD as history >> shows but that is a different kettle of fish. I suggested this as a small >> gap measure till then. >> >> So thems my thoughts. >> Nige. >> >> > <Desothane_CA8720M0900C_Clear_Coat_Matt.pdf><Desothane_CA9008B0900D_Buffable_Clear_Coat.pdf><Katana > Schutzanstrich.pdf><Fire_Paint_Process from Diamond Aircraft.pdf> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > You are subscribed to the Dimona Owners Group mailing list. > To unsubscribe, send email to: dog-unsubscr...@lists.riverland.net.au
