Yep all understood.   I think that realistically looking at the VW head design 
compared to a Lycoming for example the total cooling surface area is a lot 
smaller on the VW. So heat removal is a bit more critical
But no real drama. It just means good maintenance ...   watching tappets 
clearances and mixture.  I wise plug colour as a guide setting the mixture 
which has been quite OK
I reckon that if the engine only needs a valve grind after 500 hrs we are doing 
real well

Best regards
Ian W


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> On 2/12/2020, at 10:56 AM, Rob Thompson <amessageto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> The exhaust side of the inlet valve seat cops a lot more heat so can be prone 
> to distortion and heat hardening.
> Nigel was investigating ceramic coatings inside the heads and ports to get 
> the exhaust heat out the pipe not into the metal.
> Approvals to use ceramic coatings may be a problem. Possibly not for coating 
> the inside of the exhaust ports.If the coating fails it will just get blown 
> out the exhaust pipe.
> regards
> Rob
> 
> Rob Thompson
> 0429 493 828
> (Please note that my new email address is amessageto...@gmail.com)
> 
> 
>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 8:23 AM Ian Williams <i...@agcon.co.nz> wrote:
>> Hi Rob.    Sorry didn’t.  Engine is back together again.   What I saw was 
>> that as I was lapping in the valves there was a darker area on the inlet 
>> valve seat where it passes by the exhaust seat which I couldn’t get rid of 
>> by lapping. 
>> 
>> Ian W 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 2/12/2020, at 9:56 AM, Rob Thompson <amessageto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Do you have photos of the distortion/damage to the valves and seats?
>>> regards
>>> Rob
>>> 
>>> Rob Thompson
>>> 0429 493 828
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Tue, Dec 1, 2020 at 6:55 PM Ian Williams <i...@agcon.co.nz> wrote:
>>>> Hi All,
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> I thought an interesting situation I have had with these little engines.
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> I “look after”  ie  the maintenance engineer for 3 limbach powered 
>>>> aircraft … 2 Grob 109’s and our Dimona. One Grob has an L2400 engine 
>>>> originally in a Stemme S10.
>>>> 
>>>> .
>>>> 
>>>> The G109 with the L2000  lost compression after about 100 hrs (new heads 
>>>> from Nigel Baker)   A leak down rest clearly indicated leaking inlet 
>>>> valves.  The fix was to regrind the valves )not just lapped) and all OK.
>>>> 
>>>> At the time I did think that the reason for the valve seat distortion was 
>>>> overheating as the L2000 in the Grob does run hot (as compared with the 
>>>> Dimona.
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> Hoever I am currently working on the Dimona engine. It has done 500 
>>>> trouble free hrs  (apart from a failed Magneto condenser)  It has had a 
>>>> frustrating oil leak so I have replaced the rear oil seal and was planning 
>>>> to lap in the valves.
>>>> 
>>>> Here is the interesting bit …. There were clear signs that the inlet valve 
>>>> seats were slightly distorted in exactly the same area as the Grob engine. 
>>>>  (but at 500 hrs, not 100)
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> However our redesigned baffles etc of the Dimona installation does  mean 
>>>> the engine is running very cool (CHT’s around 110 to 140C and oil around 
>>>> 65C)
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> Apart from what I am talking about, I am  impressed with the overall 
>>>> condition of the engine. I had the valves reground in an engineering shop 
>>>> as just lapping the valves didn’t  totally seal the inlet valves
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> So my conclusion is that there could be an issue that the heat sinking 
>>>> around the exhaust / inlet area is not as good as it could be.  This is 
>>>> not serious though but if an L2000 has low compression that could be an 
>>>> area to look at.
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> Best regards
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> Ian Williams
>>>> 
>>>> ZK-GCB
>>>> 
>>>> New Zealand                                     
>>>> 
>>>>  

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