Still looking for some help/input as to this issue..
Please...if you have a R-4A or B...check this out & let me know how
yours works...(Just read the thread details)
Looks to me the later R-4B's should have fixed this...if so, it may be
worth it to update a R-4A to eliminate the problem??
Or even give me a call.
Thanks,
73,
Lee, KC9CDT
Lee Simmonds
Summit DCS LLC
260-799-4077 Office
260-403-6936 Cell
-----Original Message-----
From: Garey Barrell <[email protected]>
To: kc9cdt <[email protected]>
Cc: drakelist <[email protected]>
Sent: Fri, Jan 13, 2012 9:44 am
Subject: Re: [Drakelist] Interesting discovery/problem about R-4A & R-4B
Lee -
What is the serial number of your R-4B???
73, Garey - K4OAH
Glen Allen, VA
Drake 2-B, 2-C/2-NT, 4-A, 4-B, C-Line
and TR-4/C Service Supplement CDs
<www.k4oah.com>
[email protected] wrote:
Gary,
Thanks for the information...yes,,,I get the clicking/static like
sound as
described.
Not distortion...that is of course normal when the opposite SB is
heard.
D3 is fine...Good F/B ratio....
If you are tuned into a strong signal kind of by itself, of course
you won't
be hearing the wrong
SB at all...BUT, If there is a adjacent strong signal and his 'wrong
SB' is in
the front end
PB...you hear the clicking and it is pretty bad. It is the worst (of
course)
when you listen to a
weak or moderate signal and a strong signal is nearby.
The R-4A AND the R-4B here do exactly the same thing. My R-4C does
not. I do
not hink it is
something only wrong with THIS R-4A.
It would be nice if others with a R-4A or B would see if they hear it
to...
From a tech. standpoint my last post here describes exactly what is
happening.
Be nice to find a solution so anyone wanting it could install it.
73,
Lee
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Winblad <[email protected]>
To: kc9cdt <[email protected]>
Cc: drakelist <[email protected]>
Sent: Thu, Jan 12, 2012 10:53 pm
Subject: Re: [Drakelist] Interesting discovery/problem about R-4A &
R-4B
I think what you are describing is perfectly normal.
Strong signals within the "roofing" 10Kc(KHz) filter WILL upset your
desired
weaker signal. The NB works by detecting and killing sharp noise
spikes
BEFORE they get lengthened by passing through the narrow IF filter.
IIRC, it was a Drake innovation to limit the NB detection bandwidth
to 10Kc.
AVC is generated after the sharp IF filter, and the stronger the
signal,
the more the AVC cuts gain starting with V1, just as you have
described.
The only problem seems to be that you say you get the strong signal
distortion even with the NB turned OFF, that is not right... IMHO.
Like Garey already suggested, problems near D3 and the NB switch is
most
likely I would think, this is where the NB gets turned OFF, V9 should
be
running the same with NB on or off.
73,
Gary
WB6OGD
----- Original Message -----
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 20:18:38 -0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Drakelist] Interesting discovery/problem about R-4A & R-4B
Drake Enthusiasts,
While working on a Drake R-4A..(11 tube) .I discovered something that
bothered me...and thought for sure it was a problem needing fixing!
Yeah...I do like things to work well.
OK...find a nice STRONG signal...maybe S-9 ++ (20 over) tune it in it
sounds great...OK...now carefully tune to the opposite sideband of
that
same signal.
NB is off...not that it matters, now...listen carefully...of course
you
hear the garbled opposite sideband...BUT also you hear a lot of
clicking/arcing like noise on voice peaks especially.
Loud enough to be a bother....IF you PULL the Noise blanker tube V9
and
or V10...the noise goes away! Huh! the NB is OFF, so why do we hear
that racket?????And why does pulling the tube fix it?
Well go off looking to see what's wrong so I can fix it....spent quite
a lot of time....looked at lots of things with the scope.
Discovered what was going on is:
If you scope the grid or plate of V9 the 50 kc NB amp...you see a
relatively small signal when the signal is tuned into the correct
SB...BUT if you look at it when tuned to the wrong SB...WOW huge
signal
level (maybe 5-10 times as strong) ...and that signal level is getting
through the NB amp, shaper and amp...and clamping the plate of V4 the
IF amp right before the PB tuning...thus creating the annoying
clicking
sounds. That's why it stops when you pull the NB tube(s).
So, got to looking at the AVC signals and how it works at the grid of
V9 the 50 kc amp going into the NB section....found out the AVC does
not throttle back as much with a wrong SB sigal as the properly tunes
one! So the signal.
Why is this a problem since we don't really listen to the wrong SB?
Well, IF you are listening to a nice signal AND right next door a
signal is pounding in and the RX hears the wrong SB for it (and it
will
based on the location as to the good signal you want) you get the
clicking etc that is loud because the interfering signal is strong.
Now that I understood what was happening...I looked for a bug....not
easy to find for sure....
Ah Hah! I thought let's look at my R-4B I have here to compare the
scope patterns and voltages in question. Maybe I'll learn something
helpful?
And does my R-4C do this?
Answer is: Oh no...the R-4B does exactly the same thing! (R-4C does
not)
This R-4A is not really broke! or both the R-4A and the R-4B I have
here are both broken??
Looks to me like a design issue in the AVC circuits.
1) Hey gang...try iy out, let me know what you discover. Please.
2) Anyone already fixed this with a MOD?
Thanks,
73,
Lee, KC9CDT
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