Hi,
Digimer wrote,

> I understand the rationale and disagree with it, strongly. The build
> order should be;
> 
> 1. Initial node config
> 2. Stonith
> 3. everything else
> 
> Stonith is not a feature, it is a requirement of any sane setup, full stop.
> > Quoting the fine documentation:
> > 
> > "stonith-enable=false tells the cluster to simply pretend that failed
> > nodes are safely powered off".
> 
> You can drive your car without seatbelts, too. You can pull the fuse on
> your airbag system. You car still moves.
> 
> I have yet to see a use-case where disabling stonith is a valid setup.
 
We are using DRBD on our management system (monitoring, backup,
update of the other cluster systems) for non-important data.
Icinga status file, intermediate backup files, ...
To avoid split-brain we use pingd, which helps for simple network
problems. If the data is lost, we can simple rebuild the DRBD, as
our important data is either in a master-master ldap or
master-master mysql database. It is not always possible to setup
STONITH if you don't get access to the underlying ESXi hosts or
hardware. So I think we have a valid use-case for DRBD+Pacemaker
without STONITH+Fencing.

best regards
 Waldemar
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