Hi to all,

    A few people have been wondering if they are actually *on* this list
and missing the dialogue.    No,  you are subscribed, but we just haven't
begun discussing the topic yet.  

     Stan Krippner, who is on the ASD board mail list,  made some comments
on the original proposal, which I fowarded to this list.  Stan regretfully
cannot join us on this list at this time. 

     It may be a little unclear *who* is to be directing & leading the
discussion on Jeremy Taylor's Dream Education Proposal, so I just wanted,
if not to clarify, to at least define the shape of the fog. 

    This proposal was originally suggeted to the ASD board and assigned to
the Education Committee to discuss, though we have assumed that like other
ASD committee meetings, its pretty much open to the general membership.

   However, the Education Chair, Kelly Bulkeley has become busy with the
Program 2000 and the Chair has moved to  Bonnelle Strickling.   I put
Bonnelle on  this list and sent her a note, but she may not be on a daily
email cycle like some of you and I don't know when she will be able to
respond to this list. 

   My suggestion is that Jeremy, you could lead the discussion or assign it
to someone on the education committee who is willing to lead the
discussion. Preferably someone close to the educational process, but not

 Also, if participants on the list send in some preliminary views and
comments on Dream Education and the possiblity of finding common ground,
this will also lead to some discussion. Or pick up on point # 2 or #2 and
send in some views.    ( I have included Jeremy Taylor's original
statements below as well). 

Here is a list of participants (email only).   If you are not sure who's
who, visit the 
ASD who's who page:

 - Richard 

dreaming list includes:


Ladies & Gentlemen:

It certainly looks as though we had another great conference(!) I hope it 
turns to be as successful financially as it was socially and professionally. 
How soon will we know?

Per our discussion at the Board Meeting on Saturday, I am sending a draft of 
what seem to me to be minimum requirements for programs training people to do 
non-specialized dream work.

There are at least two aspects to "professional ethics":  (1) the requirement 
to avoid doing harm (through misrepresentation of credentials, false and 
misleading advertising, robbing the dreamer of his/her autonomy in the dream 
working process, using information gained in the course of professional work 
for personal profit, etc.), all of which are, I believe adequately dealt with 
in our "Statement of Ethics" -- and (2) the requirement to do good whenever 
possible, especially including the ethical obligation to pass on to future 
generations the wisdom, skills, and specialized knowledge of the field, 
whatever it may be.

As the sudden proliferation of dream work training programs all over the U.S. 
over the past couple of years demonstrates, training people to do dream work 
professionally, (i.e., responsibly, for pay), is clearly an idea whose time 
has come.  Obviously, training programs of this sort will continue to grow 
and proliferate, whether the ASD takes any action to support and suggest 
fundamental principles of "quality control" for them, or not. As those of you 
who were present will recall, there was clear expression of the desire for 
support and guidance from ASD expressed by most of the founder/directors of 
the six different programs represented on the ASD panel discussing 
"Professional Dream Work Training..." at the Santa Cruz Conference.

On Saturday, the Board voted to begin to explore this question, and I agreed 
to supply a discussion draft of what I, at least, perceive to be the 
fundamental and necessary building blocks of any responsible, non-specialized 
dream work training program. In fulfillment of that commitment, I am 
submitting the following for your consideration and discussion:


"Professional practitioners of any skill have an ethical obligation to pass 
on to succeeding generations the substance of their specialized knowledge in 
a coherent and accessible fashion. This is as true for those of us who work 
with dreams, as it is of any other profession.

We, the Board of the Association for the Study of Dreams, therefore adopt and 
recommend the following fundamental principles and elements as necessary for 
any adequate training program for professional work with dreams.

(1) Any program training people to work with dreams should have a clearly 
stated ethical component. We recommend the "Statement of Ethics for Dream 
Work" adopted by the ASD as a foundation for such ethical components of dream 
work training.

(2) Any program training people to work with dreams should emphasize the 
multiple layers of meaning that are possible in every dream, and expose 
trainees to a variety of techniques and methods of exploration. Programs 
which offer to train people to work with dreams professionally, (i.e. 
responsibly, for-pay) must be free to emphasize one particular technique 
above others, but in order to achieve minimum standards of adequate 
professional training, these programs must also expose their trainees to a 
representative variety of different techniques and theoretical models.

(3) Any program training people to work with dreams should include a 
significant experience of adequately supervised, "hands-on", face-to-face 
dream work, leading and facilitating work with dreams, both with groups and 
individuals. (As electronic communications media become increasing important 
in our post-modern lives, this "hands-on" component may also be extended to 
include telephone and computer connected work with dreams, but traditional, 
face-to-face work must also be a significant element of the program. If the 
program does include training in working with dreams using electronic media, 
this work must also be supervised by instructors who themselves have adequate 
experience working with dreams using these media.) There should be written 
evaluations of the performance of trainees in these supervised situations. 
The criteria upon which these evaluations are based must be clearly stated, 
and applied equally.

(4) Any program training people to work with dreams should offer an overview 
of the history of dream work as a world-wide activity. Although programs may 
choose to emphasize one aspect of this tradition, such as the European, 
medical/psychiatric, tradition of dream exploration, they should also offer 
at least an over-view of the many other strands of aboriginal and 
non-European work with dreams. This should include, but not be limited to 
exposure to those traditions which grant primacy to the dream as a means of 
communion with the realms of spirit.

(5) At the outset, any program training people to work with dreams should 
have clearly stated goals and clearly stated means of evaluating whether or 
not those goals have been adequately achieved by a trainee. Evaluation of 
trainees regarding their performance and their achievement of training goals 
should be equally applied. 

(6) Although dream work training for specialists, (medical practitioners, 
therapists, social workers, etc.), will require further training beyond these 
five basic areas, even specialized education and training in working with 
dreams should conform to the principles stated here."

Respectfully submitted,

Reverend Jeremy Taylor

Ladies & Gentlemen:

While ruminating about the 6 point discussion draft of criteria for minimally 
adequate professional dream work training, it occurs to me that there is 
another point that should be added to the list, (perhaps as the new #3...), 
to wit:

"(3) Any program training people to work with dreams should have a 
fundamental component addressing the universal human process of unconscious 
"projection". This tranining component should include material relating to 
projection both as a major element in the creation of the manifest content of 
the dream itself, as well as a primary factor in the subsequent exploration 
and work with any dream or dream series."

Thanks for your continuing attention to this important discussion.

As always,        Jeremy Taylor (co-founder and past 

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