On 04/12/2017 03:03 PM, Hans Verkuil wrote:
> Hi Tomi,
>
> On 04/10/2017 01:59 PM, Tomi Valkeinen wrote:
>> On 08/04/17 13:11, Hans Verkuil wrote:
>>
>>> So, this is a bit of a blast from the past since the omap4 CEC development
>>> has been on hold for almost a year. But I am about to resume my work on this
>>> now that the CEC framework was merged.
>>>
>>> The latest code is here, if you are interested:
>>>
>>> https://git.linuxtv.org/hverkuil/media_tree.git/log/?h=panda-cec
>>>
>>> It's pretty much unchanged from the version I posted a year ago, just
>>> rebased.
>>>
>>> But before I continue with this I have one question for you. First some
>>> background:
>>>
>>> There is a special corner case (and I wasn't aware of that a year ago!)
>>> where
>>> it is allowed to send a CEC message when there is *no HPD*.
>>>
>>> The reason is that some displays turn off the hotplug detect pin when they
>>> go
>>> into standby or when another input is active. The only way to communicate
>>> with
>>> such displays is via CEC.
>>>
>>> The problem is that without a HPD there is no EDID and basically no way for
>>> an
>>> HDMI transmitter to detect that something is connected at all, unless you
>>> are
>>> using CEC.
>>>
>>> What this means is that if we want to implement this on the omap4 the CEC
>>> support
>>> has to be on all the time.
>>>
>>> We have seen modern displays that behave like this, so this is a real
>>> issue. And
>>> this corner case is specifically allowed by the CEC specification: the Poll,
>>> Image/Text View On and the Active Source messages can be sent to a TV even
>>> when
>>> there is no HPD in order to turn on the display if it was in standby and to
>>> make
>>> us the active input.
>>>
>>> The CEC framework in the kernel supports this starting with 4.12 (this code
>>> is
>>> in the panda-cec branch above).
>>>
>>> If this *can't* be supported by the omap4, then I will likely have to add a
>>> CEC
>>> capability to signal to the application that this specific corner case is
>>> not
>>> supported.
>>>
>>> I just did some tests with omap4 and I my impression is that this can't be
>>> supported: when the HPD goes away it seems like most/all of the HDMI blocks
>>> are
>>> all powered off and any attempt to even access the CEC registers will fail.
>>>
>>> Changing this looks to be non-trivial if not impossible.
>>>
>>> Can you confirm that that isn't possible? If you think this can be done,
>>> then
>>> I'd appreciate if you can give me a few pointers.
>>
>> HPD doesn't control the HW, it's all in the SW. So while I don't know
>> much at all about CEC and haven't looked at this particular use case, I
>> believe it's doable. HPD going off will make the DRM connector to be in
>> "disconnected" state, which on omapdrm will cause everything about HDMI
>> to be turned off.
>>
>> Does it work on some other DRM driver? I'm wondering if there's
>> something in the DRM framework side that also has to be changed, in
>> addition to omapdrm changes.
>>
>> It could require larger SW redesigns, though... Which makes me think
>> that the work shouldn't be done until we have changed the omapdrm's
>> driver model to DRM's common bridge driver model, and then all this
>> could possibly be done in a more generic manner.
>>
>> Well, then again, I think the hdmi driver's internal power state
>> handling could be improved even before that. Currently it's not very
>> versatile. We should have ways to partially enable the IP for just the
>> required parts.
>
> I noticed while experimenting with this that tpd_disconnect() in
> drivers/gpu/drm/omapdrm/displays/encoder-tpd12s015.c isn't called when
> I disconnect the HDMI cable. Is that a bug somewhere?
>
> I would expect that tpd_connect and tpd_disconnect are balanced. The
> tpd_enable
> and tpd_disable calls are properly balanced and I see the tpd_disable when I
> disconnect the HDMI cable.
>
> The key to keeping CEC up and running, even when there is no HPD is to keep
> the hdmi.vdda_reg regulator enabled. Also the HDMI_IRQ_CORE should always be
> on, otherwise I won't get any CEC interrupts.
>
> So if the omap4 CEC support is enabled in the kernel config, then always
> enable
> this regulator and irq, and otherwise keep the current code.
And of course the ls_oe_gpio in tpd12s015.c should always be high as well,
otherwise
the CEC signal would never get through. This too can depend on the kernel
config.
Hans
>
> Does that look sensible to you?
>
> Regards,
>
> Hans
>
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