On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 8:36 AM Daniel Vetter <dan...@ffwll.ch> wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 05, 2019 at 11:24:19AM +0100, Thierry Reding wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 05, 2019 at 09:57:37AM +0100, Daniel Vetter wrote: > > > On Mon, Feb 04, 2019 at 05:22:58PM +0100, Thierry Reding wrote: > > > > On Mon, Feb 04, 2019 at 04:59:09PM +0100, Daniel Vetter wrote: > > > > > On Mon, Feb 04, 2019 at 12:22:18PM +0100, Thierry Reding wrote: > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 04, 2019 at 10:40:12AM +0100, Daniel Vetter wrote: > > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 04, 2019 at 09:23:59AM +0100, Thierry Reding wrote: > > > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 04, 2019 at 12:13:55AM -0800, Vasily Khoruzhick > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Feb 3, 2019 at 11:43 PM Thierry Reding > > > > > > > > > <thierry.red...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Feb 03, 2019 at 10:54:57AM -0800, Vasily Khoruzhick > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > eDP panels usually have EDID EEPROM, so there's no need > > > > > > > > > > > to define panel > > > > > > > > > > > width/height or any modes/timings in dts. But this panel > > > > > > > > > > > still may have > > > > > > > > > > > regulator and/or backlight. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Signed-off-by: Vasily Khoruzhick <anars...@gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > > > > > > .../devicetree/bindings/display/panel/panel-edp.txt > > > > > > > > > > > | 7 +++++++ > > > > > > > > > > > 1 file changed, 7 insertions(+) > > > > > > > > > > > create mode 100644 > > > > > > > > > > > Documentation/devicetree/bindings/display/panel/panel-edp.txt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please don't try to make panels look more generic than they > > > > > > > > > > really are. > > > > > > > > > > You're going to have to provide a compatible string for > > > > > > > > > > your device that > > > > > > > > > > is more specific than "panel-edp". You claim that you don't > > > > > > > > > > need any > > > > > > > > > > extra information that is panel specific, but you don't > > > > > > > > > > know that now. > > > > > > > > > > We have in the past thought that we didn't need things like > > > > > > > > > > prepare > > > > > > > > > > delay, but then we ran into situations where we did need > > > > > > > > > > them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just do what everybody else does. Provide a specific > > > > > > > > > > compatible string > > > > > > > > > > and match on that in the panel-simple driver. Even if you > > > > > > > > > > can read all > > > > > > > > > > the video timings from an EDID EEPROM, you can still > > > > > > > > > > provide a mode in > > > > > > > > > > the panel descriptor to serve as a fallback if for example > > > > > > > > > > the EEPROM > > > > > > > > > > is faulty on some device. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pinebook used several 768p panels that have slightly > > > > > > > > > different timings > > > > > > > > > and recent batch uses 1080p panel. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What panel descriptor should I use as fallback? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You don't use panel descriptors as fallback. The simple-panel > > > > > > > > driver > > > > > > > > will bind to a panel device and use the corresponding > > > > > > > > descriptor. If > > > > > > > > your device tree contains the correct information, the > > > > > > > > descriptor is > > > > > > > > correct for the panel you have. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In other words you need to ensure that you have the correct > > > > > > > > panel in > > > > > > > > device tree for the board that you're using. This is exactly > > > > > > > > the same > > > > > > > > thing as for other devices. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One way to to this is to have separate device trees for each > > > > > > > > variant > > > > > > > > of the board that you want to support. Another variant may be > > > > > > > > to have > > > > > > > > a common device tree and then have some early firmware update > > > > > > > > the DTB > > > > > > > > with the correct panel information. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This would defeat the point of edp, which is to standardize the > > > > > > > mess of > > > > > > > panels (at least somewhat) and avoid having to change the DT/ACPI > > > > > > > tables/firmware for every board you ship. Also, we do have DP > > > > > > > quirking > > > > > > > infrastructure already (using the OUI), I think if there's > > > > > > > something that > > > > > > > doesn't work then we should quirk it there. > > > > > > > > > > > > The problem is that while the attempt may have been to standardize, > > > > > > it > > > > > > failed. It doesn't take into account any of the details such as > > > > > > timing > > > > > > between things like powering up the display and enabling the > > > > > > backlight > > > > > > or similar. I don't know how you'd want to "quirk" those kinds of > > > > > > requirements because they are highly panel specific. > > > > > > > > > > Hm right, we get these from some firmware tables (and mix them with > > > > > the > > > > > spec one, since some of the firmware values are nonsense). I don't > > > > > even > > > > > know whether we can read the timings over dp aux somehow (you can > > > > > power up > > > > > the panel with some pessimistic values to figure those out, and you > > > > > only > > > > > need dp aux to work, which is much simpler than the entire panel). > > > > > > > > > > > > What does make sense though imo is if we try not to stuff the edp > > > > > > > panel > > > > > > > into panel-simple, because it's anything like a simple dumb > > > > > > > panel. There's > > > > > > > also some integration awkwardness since with this panel you need > > > > > > > to do dp > > > > > > > aux/i2c transactions to get at the information (edid alone isn't > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > enough for edp), and I'm not sure how exactly that's supposed to > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > instantiated. Maybe a special function to instantiate an edp > > > > > > > panel, which > > > > > > > takes both a DT node and the dp_aux controller would be much > > > > > > > better, > > > > > > > instead of trying to auto-match against a DT compatible string > > > > > > > and load a > > > > > > > panel driver which is almost all fake. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or we teach dp_aux to register itself and somehow teach panel-edp > > > > > > > how it > > > > > > > can get hold of the dp_aux channel it needs. > > > > > > > > > > > > We already do that. drm_dp_aux registers as an I2C adapter that can > > > > > > be > > > > > > used to read EDID EEPROMs using I2C-over-AUX transactions. We > > > > > > already > > > > > > use that on some platforms. > > > > > > > > > > > > Also note that simple-panel already supports getting video timings > > > > > > from > > > > > > EDID. If a DDC link is present in DT, the driver will load the modes > > > > > > from EDID and use them. > > > > > > > > > > Could we extend this to dp aux somehow? For edp you need the dp aux > > > > > (which > > > > > then gives you the ddc link automatically). > > > > > > > > I suppose we could do that. We could introduce a new property that would > > > > allow the panel driver to get at the struct drm_dp_aux that can access > > > > the panel. I'm not sure how much that would buy us. I suppose the driver > > > > could go and use that drm_dp_aux to do I2C-over-AUX and ignore any > > > > ddc-bus property in device tree. A drm_dp_aux object could also be used > > > > to access DPCD if that's helpful. > > > > > > > > The driver proposed here doesn't need access to DPCD, so I'm not sure > > > > that would immediately help. > > > > > > You definitely need dp aux to drive edp. That's where a lot of the really > > > important stuff is stored, and it sounds like on non-broken panels even > > > the timings (we've never implemented that on i915 somehow). > > > > I'm not sure I understand what you're saying here. I haven't worked with > > eDP panels in a while, but my recollection is that you can use DP AUX to > > read video timings over EDID. We provide support for that by exporting a > > DP AUX controller as I2C adapter (i.e. register with the I2C subsystem) > > and then that I2C adapter can be used to read the EDID. I wasn't aware > > that eDP panels additionally stored the video timings somewhere else. > > I didn't know either, but understood Vasily's comment that this is > possible. Haven't dug around in the specs though.
It probes link capabilities such as lanes number and rate, see drm_dp_link_probe(), I'm not sure if it's panel property or not. > > What I meant above was that aside from the I2C-over-AUX for reading the > > EDID, this driver doesn't do anything else with DP AUX in order to turn > > the panel on. Looking at the eDP support we have on Tegra, there's a > > DPCD register (DP_SET_POWER) that needs to be written in order to take > > the sink device (i.e. panel) out of the power saving state. We do that > > as part of the connector implementation rather than within the panel > > driver. There are also additional registers such as DP_LINK_BW_SET that > > need to be programmed. I think this is also relevant to regular DP and > > detailed in the specification. > > > > Given all the above, I'm beginning to think that Rob's right in that > > perhaps we shouldn't be treating eDP panels as panels, but rather to > > make them look more like DP monitors and make all this code part of the > > connector implementation. I think pretty much the only differences to > > regular DP are that we might require some lower-level resources that a > > DP monitor would usually have built-in (reset or power GPIOs, power > > supplies, backlight, ...). > > > > I'm not sure if that's enough for eDP panels, though. For example the > > AUO B133HTN01 panel, used by the exynos5800-peach-pi, seems to be an eDP > > panel. But the driver also specifies a couple of additional delays which > > suggests that either it violates the eDP specification or that the eDP > > specification doesn't define any power sequencing delays that would've > > been needed. Or perhaps these delays are specified somewhere and the > > driver just doesn't use them? > > I honestly don't know, but gut feeling also goes towards making edp > something else than a dumb panel. There's a lot of stuff you need to do > that overlaps with normal DP sinks, plus there's a lot of stuff (but not > everything, or at least it needs some quirking sometimes) that you're > supposed to autodiscover. But I'm not sure what's the best solution really > is, since for i915 all the quirking we need is in some i915-specific > tables (and I'm not even sure how much of that quirking is really > necessary, and how much just convenience for us because the fw already did > the hard work of poking the information out of the panel). > -Daniel > -- > Daniel Vetter > Software Engineer, Intel Corporation > http://blog.ffwll.ch _______________________________________________ dri-devel mailing list dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/dri-devel
