Am 12.01.2017 um 16:11 schrieb Jerome Glisse:
On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 10:54:39PM -0600, Stephen Bates wrote:
On Fri, January 6, 2017 4:10 pm, Logan Gunthorpe wrote:


On 06/01/17 11:26 AM, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:


Make a generic API for all of this and you'd have my vote..


IMHO, you must support basic pinning semantics - that is necessary to
support generic short lived DMA (eg filesystem, etc). That hardware can
clearly do that if it can support ODP.
I agree completely.


What we want is for RDMA, O_DIRECT, etc to just work with special VMAs
(ie. at least those backed with ZONE_DEVICE memory). Then
GPU/NVME/DAX/whatever drivers can just hand these VMAs to userspace
(using whatever interface is most appropriate) and userspace can do what
it pleases with them. This makes _so_ much sense and actually largely
already works today (as demonstrated by iopmem).
+1 for iopmem ;-)

I feel like we are going around and around on this topic. I would like to
see something that is upstream that enables P2P even if it is only the
minimum viable useful functionality to begin. I think aiming for the moon
(which is what HMM and things like it are) are simply going to take more
time if they ever get there.

There is a use case for in-kernel P2P PCIe transfers between two NVMe
devices and between an NVMe device and an RDMA NIC (using NVMe CMBs or
BARs on the NIC). I am even seeing users who now want to move data P2P
between FPGAs and NVMe SSDs and the upstream kernel should be able to
support these users or they will look elsewhere.

The iopmem patchset addressed all the use cases above and while it is not
an in kernel API it could have been modified to be one reasonably easily.
As Logan states the driver can then choose to pass the VMAs to user-space
in a manner that makes sense.

Earlier in the thread someone mentioned LSF/MM. There is already a
proposal to discuss this topic so if you are interested please respond to
the email letting the committee know this topic is of interest to you [1].

Also earlier in the thread someone discussed the issues around the IOMMU.
Given the known issues around P2P transfers in certain CPU root complexes
[2] it might just be a case of only allowing P2P when a PCIe switch
connects the two EPs. Another option is just to use CONFIG_EXPERT and make
sure people are aware of the pitfalls if they invoke the P2P option.

iopmem is not applicable to GPU what i propose is to split the issue in 2
so that everyone can reuse the part that needs to be common namely the DMA
API part where you have to create IOMMU mapping for one device to point
to the other device memory.

We can have a DMA API that is agnostic to how the device memory is manage
(so does not matter if device memory have struct page or not). This what
i have been arguing in this thread. To make progress on this issue we need
to stop conflicting different use case.

So i say let solve the IOMMU issue first and let everyone use it in their
own way with their device. I do not think we can share much more than
that.

Yeah, exactly what I said from the very beginning as well. Just hacking together quick solutions doesn't really solve the problem in the long term.

What we need is proper adjusting of the DMA API towards handling of P2P and then build solutions for the different use cases on top of that.

We should also avoid falling into the trap of trying to just handle the existing get_user_pages and co interfaces so that the existing code doesn't need to change. P2P needs to be validated for each use case individually and not implemented in workarounds with fingers crossed and hoped for the best.

Regards,
Christian.


Cheers,
Jérôme


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