Thank you both I think i will go buy that red book from Addison Wesley 3rd edition you told me about. (Daryll, I am sorry,that i can't buy it via the link of your website, see i live here in Germany so i have to use www.amazon.de or better ww.buecher.de instead of www.amazon.com your url is linking to. I also found the version of the red book your url is linking to, is the old 2. edition, the new is the 3rd edition.) This Linux Game Programming book sound really interessting. I think i should take a closer look at it. Are there any read examples of that book? Thanks Best Regards, Oliver C. _______________________________________________ Dri-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dri-devel