--- Jason Dagit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> Alex Deucher wrote (on Sat, 4 Oct 2003 at 08:49 -0700):
> 
>  > xfree86 and DRI CVS have 2D support for m10 already.  3D is not
>  > possible as no one has sponsored development of an opensource
> driver
>  > and no one has the databooks for the r300 yet.  So, if you want
> 3D,
>  > you'll have to use the ati binary driver.
> 
> Are you sure about xfree86, I checked their website last night and
> they list support via the ati driver, which I took to mean the driver
> provided by ati.  
> 
> I checked the status page for dri and nothing is mentioned about the
> M10.  Shouldn't that page be updated if you have 2d support now?
> 

the DRI and xfree86 recently synced up so, they are, right now, for
most intents and purposes the same code base.  Right now there is 2D
support only for r3xx series cards.  I haven't checked the web pages in
a while.  the "ati" driver is the name of the xfree86 driver for ati
cards.  it's not provided by ati although they do contribute code to
it.

> Has anyone tried to get the databooks for the M10 or 9600 yet?  How
> hard is this?  Do you guys have an established reputation with ati? 

I heard the gatos people got the databooks for the r3xx cards but I'm
not sure if that includes 3D registers as well or just 2d and overlay
stuff.  many xfree86 and DRI developers have a good relationship with
ati.  ati contributes quite a bit of code.  I'm not sure if anyone has
tried to get databooks for the 3D stuff yet; I don't even know if ati
will release them.

> I
> noticed in the FAQ that it said you don't give out the info once they
> give it to you.  Why is that?  And why do they only give out the info
> to companies.  Seems a bit silly.  Could I just claim to have my own
> company and get the data?  "Why yes, I'm the CEO of Just for DRI, a
> new company that is making drivers for DRI."  Ya know, or something
> equally silly.

If you want the databooks, you'll need to register on their website. 
if you are not a company, then put in something like "opensource
developer" or "hobbyist."  

> 
> When you say "sponsored development" do you mean monetary
> sponsorship,
> or do you mean something else?

Yes monetary sponsorship.  writing a 3D driver for a new chip like the
r3xx chips is no small undertaking.  it's a lot of work.  the weather
channel funded the development of the r2xx drivers.

> 
> Thanks for the reply, sorry I have so many questions that are
> probably
> really silly.
> 
> Thanks,
> Jason


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