Hi Droids, Seems there is some problem with the number of active users. I have recently joined the team, i don't know how much useful could i be. But am willing to help.
Regards, Vibhu On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 8:06 PM, ant elder <[email protected]> wrote: > On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 3:36 AM, Richard Frovarp <[email protected] > >wrote: > > > On 05/30/2013 02:28 AM, ant elder wrote: > > > >> Hi Droids, I'm from the Incubator PMC and doing a review of the older > >> Incubator poddlings and why they're not graduating. I also happen to be > >> from the HttpComponents PMC which was the original sponsor of Droids. > >> Looking about here the only thing holding Droids back is that there not > >> many active participants. Would that be correct? > >> > >> Droids has been here such a long time now and the Incubator is not > adding > >> much value. There have been discussions on general@ about what to do > with > >> small poddlings, eg: http://markmail.org/message/**vd53bm3fouw7ueow< > http://markmail.org/message/vd53bm3fouw7ueow>, > >> which > >> suggests including the mentors on the PMC when graduating to help make > up > >> the numbers. Any comments on that approach? > >> > >> Who are your mentors these days, and would having any new mentors help? > If > >> so i'd be happy to sign up to see what can be done. > >> > >> ...ant > >> > >> > > Ant, > > > > Thanks for the note and offer to help. You are correct, graduation is for > > the most part hung up on active participants. Thorsten Scherler and I are > > both mentors, on the IPMC, and largely involved in the project. So in our > > case, the mentors would want to be on the PMC. We could come up with a 3 > > member PMC that would be active and could keep the project going. I've > seen > > messages from either the IPMC or Board indicating that a project needs to > > have three active PMC members so that there can be legal releases. So in > > theory we could graduate with a 3 person PMC, and be successful. > > > > One of the problems we've had is making releases. I've released managed > > the two releases. Between Thorsten and I, we have two binding votes, but > it > > can be hard to get the 3rd IPMC vote, as you've no doubt seen from other > > projects as well on the IPMC list. It would be easier for us to do new > > releases as a TLP. I understand that the point of releasing through the > > IPMC is to make sure everything is correct. With two releases we've shown > > that we understand that piece. > > > > We have approached Commons to see if that would be an option. It might > > work, but a TLP seems to be a better fit. There seems to be an effort to > > not have sub-projects, with the obvious exception of Commons. We haven't > > talked with the HttpComponents PMC, as it doesn't seem like a good fit. > If > > you think we should contact them, as they were one of the original > > sponsors, let us know. > > > > I know you're quite active in the IPMC and else where in the foundation, > > so your help would certainly be appreciated by me. I'm not sure what the > > next steps are. We could always try a graduation vote with a 3 or 4 > person > > PMC. We probably would need to do a name change with Android and the > > related devices. Any advice is appreciated. > > > > Thanks, > > Richard > > > > Becoming a TLP does sound preferable. A three person PMC is the absolute > minimum but i don't recall ever seeing a podling graduate with that few. > The problem is that as soon as one person goes away then the project is > unable to get the three binding votes necessary to do releases so the > project stalls. Even four seems a little small so if five or more people > could be found its likely to make things easier. Smaller podlings often add > their mentors to help make up the numbers, a problem here is that you two > are the mentors so that doesn't help. To be honest i think your best bet > could be to try recruit a couple more new mentors and then include them > along with all the current listed committers in the graduation proposal. > > About the Droids name, the Incubator podling naming guide is here (if you > didn't already know): http://incubator.apache.org/guides/names.html. If > you'd like i can start going through that for you to see if it helps about > the name? > > ...ant >
