Tanya, Thank you for sharing your experience with DSpace 7 at UNSW. We are looking for examples of DSpace 7 repositories and appreciate the work your team has done on UNSWorks, https://unsworks.unsw.edu.au/home. I notice that the facets there don't include the search box which appears in DSpace Demo, https://demo7.dspace.org/search?query=cell&spc.page=1. That box, even with the bug mentioned, might help with user frustration. Also I notice that the options for the facets are listed alphabetically, rather than in descending frequency, as they are in DSpace Demo.
Anne On Friday, July 1, 2022 at 11:10:42 AM UTC-4 Tim Donohue wrote: > Hi Tanya, > > Yes, of course there could be a middle ground between 5 at a time, and > 100s. I honestly just don't know what the right middle ground would be. > The number 5 was chosen as we* made a guess *that people would use the > facet-specific searchbox if they wanted to find a facet value not near the > top of list. But that guess sounds like it has been proven incorrect by > real-life user behavior. So, if 5 is the wrong number, then we'd need to > find a new number (10? 20?). Or maybe maybe it needs to be made > configurable? (My response about performance issues was only to say that > one solution that *won't work* is simply displaying every facet value > after clicking "view more". There must be some fixed number we stop at, > otherwise performance could be a problem if there are a very large number > of facet values.) > > I guess I'm pointing out here that as institutions who use DSpace all of > you have feedback into this. If you have an idea of how to create better > behavior, I'd encourage you to either create a DSpace issue ticket ( > https://github.com/DSpace/dspace-angular/issues) describing the better > behavior you'd propose. Or, maybe bring this up for discussion with the > DSpace Community Advisory Team (DCAT) who can combined create such a > recommendation. I'm here to help explain *why* we chose the current > behavior...but I will fully admit that we may never be able to get it > perfect the first time, so it's important to get this feedback & ideas for > improvements. > > Anne has already created a few tickets (she linked to) which I've pulled > over to our development work board. I don't yet know what release they'd > be fixed in, but they are now on that board and will get > prioritized/analyzed there (alongside all other reported issues). We also > always accept code contributions/donations *from anyone*... so if an > issue is really bothering you, and you can either help fix it, or pay a > service provider to fix it, that's is often the *quickest way *to a > solution. > > Glad to provide more advice as needed, > > Tim > > ------------------------------ > *From:* [email protected] <[email protected]> on > behalf of [email protected] <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Friday, July 1, 2022 1:21 AM > *To:* DSpace Community <[email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [dspace-community] DSpace 7 facets? > > Hi Tim and Anne > > We too have had feedback from users about having to click 'show more' in > search facets multiple times and getting frustrated with the number of > clicks. > Is there a middle-ground between 5 and 100's that will work and not affect > performance? > > Thanks > Tanya > UNSW, Sydney > > On Wednesday, June 29, 2022 at 3:40:42 AM UTC+10 alaw wrote: > > Tim, > > Thank you for your feedback. The vertical alignment of the checkboxes > seems to be an issue with Firefox but not Chrome or Safari (although > Safari's are a little off horizontally). I created the issue, In facets, > vertically align checkbox with first word of option > <https://github.com/DSpace/dspace-angular/issues/1711>, > https://github.com/DSpace/dspace-angular/issues/1711. > > Regarding the search box behavior, I created the issue, Facet search box > should search all words, not just first word, in options > <https://github.com/DSpace/dspace-angular/issues/1712>, > https://github.com/DSpace/dspace-angular/issues/1712. > > I do mourn the loss of the XMLUI "View more" behavior, especially for > administrative purposes. I would be interested to hear from others who use > XMLUI, whether they have found this functionality helpful and any thoughts > of how this functionality might be attained in DSpace 7. > > Thanks, > > Anne > On Tuesday, June 28, 2022 at 12:41:26 PM UTC-4 Tim Donohue wrote: > > Hi Anne, > > The current "show more" behavior in the DSpace 7 search facets only > displays the next 5 facets in order to ensure the performance is good. > Attempting to display 100s or even 1,000 facets after clicking "show more" > would be extremely slow. > > The intention of the search box under each facet was to do the same thing > in an easier way. It's supposed to allow you to quickly search for the > facet you are looking for (rather than continually clicking "show more" or > loading them all at once). And then allow you to select that facet > quickly. This was a redesign of the old 6.x behavior into 7.x, but the > goal was the same.... you should be able to find even smaller facets > quickly and us them to filter your results. > > However, based on your feedback, it does appear that it's not doing > exactly what users expect in this scenario...I agree with you that it > should *not* require searching from the beginning of the facet text. I'd > consider this a bug. Maybe you could create a ticket with thoughts on how > to improve the behavior? https://github.com/DSpace/dspace-angular/issues > > Regarding the checkbox display.. I'm not seeing that behavior in Google > Chrome (it appears aligned at the top). I wonder if this is a browser > specific bug? If so, I'd recommend creating a ticket for this as well, and > list the browser you are using so we can retest in that same browser. > > Thanks for the feedback. In general, we do welcome creating bug tickets > or usability tickets (or comment on other's tickets if you hit the same > issue as someone else). Generally, the more an issue is mentioned or > commented on, the more developers become aware that this is a common > problem for many/most sites & the higher priority it'll get. The opposite > is also true, when a bug/usability issue is *not* reported into our > issues list, it's highly unlikely anything will get done as it's simply not > tracked in the system. > > Thanks again, > > Tim > > ------------------------------ > *From:* [email protected] <[email protected]> on > behalf of alaw <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Monday, June 27, 2022 5:16 PM > *To:* DSpace Community <[email protected]> > *Subject:* [dspace-community] DSpace 7 facets? > > Our repository, VTechWorks, runs DSpace 6.3 XMLU and serves our > comprehensive university with over 100 departments and programs. We provide > a Department facet for our ETD collection, > https://www.lyrasis.org/programs/Pages/DSpace.aspx. If the patron selects > "View more..." in that facet, they will be presented an alphabetical list > of all department and programs, from which they can select the program or > department of interest. > > The ETD collection in the Iowa State University repository running DSpace > 7.3, > https://dr.lib.iastate.edu/collections/0830d32e-14e1-4a4f-bb8f-271a75ed35af?scope=0830d32e-14e1-4a4f-bb8f-271a75ed35af, > > also offers a Department facet. However, if one clicks, "Show more," they > are presented 5 more options in that facet list. It seems impossible with > this presentation to ever get to less popular programs such as Fisheries. > Is there the possibility of having the current DSpace 6 XMLUI behavior to > allow the full list of options? Not only is it simpler for our patrons, we > use this functionality extensively to manage our content, for instance > using the Content Type facet to list all content types to correct outliers. > Is this functionality planned for a future versions of DSpace 7? If not, > have others thought how they might provide this functionality? > > I also tried the search box within that facet. That seems to find the > first word of a department but not subsequent words, for example listing a > match for Physics but not Astronomy for the department, "Physics and > Astronomy." > > One final observation about the facets is that the check box for each > option seems to be vertically centered on each option. This is fine for > single lines but is confusing for multi-line options such as Civil, > Construction, and Environmental Engineering. I propose putting the check > box inline with the first word of each option. > > Thanks, > > Anne > > -- > All messages to this mailing list should adhere to the Code of Conduct: > https://www.lyrasis.org/about/Pages/Code-of-Conduct.aspx > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "DSpace Community" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/dspace-community/410eeb78-b798-4ccd-a14c-10c28607e3b5n%40googlegroups.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/dspace-community/410eeb78-b798-4ccd-a14c-10c28607e3b5n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > > -- > All messages to this mailing list should adhere to the Code of Conduct: > https://www.lyrasis.org/about/Pages/Code-of-Conduct.aspx > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "DSpace Community" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/dspace-community/a359b278-4c1f-4956-a0aa-0fea5460a96fn%40googlegroups.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/dspace-community/a359b278-4c1f-4956-a0aa-0fea5460a96fn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- All messages to this mailing list should adhere to the Code of Conduct: https://www.lyrasis.org/about/Pages/Code-of-Conduct.aspx --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "DSpace Community" group. 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