On Mon, 18 Jan 2010 21:34:38 +0000 Paul Cockings <ds...@cytringan.co.uk> wrote:
> On 18/01/2010 21:26, Stevan Bajić wrote: > > On Mon, 18 Jan 2010 21:18:18 +0000 > > Paul Cockings<ds...@cytringan.co.uk> wrote: > > > > > >> On 18/01/2010 21:14, Stevan Bajić wrote: > >> > >>>> So the options could be... > >>>> > >>>> - send to dspam server on the lan > >>>> - send to dspam server on the wan > >>>> - send to dspam relay service > >>>> > >>>> I suppose all of these could be setup and a clever bit of coding > >>>> discovers what is available to the user (ie mobile worker) > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> It's funny we talk again about web services and DSPAM. Tell me one mail > >>> client that does web services out of the box? Outlook probably can do web > >>> services with the help of IE. I for sure know that Lotus Notes Client can > >>> talk to a web service. Have coded a SPAM/HAM plugin for Lotus Notes > >>> Client that exactly that. But I used Lotus Domino as the web service > >>> provider and then communicated from Notes to Domino to DSPAM. But to > >>> bring the discussion back to the original topic: What mail client is > >>> capable out of the box to do web services? > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> I can't answer that - I'm far to early on in this research. I have much > >> to learn. > >> > >> > > Okay. > > > > > Is it worth pursuing this quest? The 'problem' that i see is sometimes > its not attractive to think about making exchange forward a message for > a domain it is hosting to an outside address for delivery - This for me > a a true PITA. - Maybe I make it too hard. > My thought was if the Spam/Ham buttons inside the mail client can talk > directly with the dspam server then it bypasses this whole headache and > you don't have the retrain mails running back through the mail servers! > bonus. > > My second thought is a service that runs on exchange server which > watches the 'Junk' folders and sends re-training info back to dspam. > The users would drag the junk to the junk folder. > > - I'm trying to think of ways to make training easy for the end user. > From my experience its hard enough to teach people to press spam/ham > buttons in the mail client, but without taking all the control away from > users how else can it be done? > All you have described above already exists in the OSS word. The part with the ham/spam button exists and that with moving from/to junk exists as well (for example the dovecot anti-spam plugin). The real problem is that on the closed source world no one is really interested in doing those implementations. It's hard because you need to buy software in order to develop software (Visual Studio etc) and you need to read a gazillion of documents and then you need to fear that every new version of Outlook (just an example) is going to break your solution and you will need to recode it. That's a ultra PITA compared to other mail clients out there. If I look at the plugin I wrote for IBM Lotus Notes client then I can tell you that that damn thing works on ANY version of Lotus Notes since release 5 of Notes (and R5 was shipped early 1999) without chaning anything on the code. Find me a solution on Outlook that does not need to be recompiled/recoded in the time range of 11 years. I don't know any single product for Outlook that has that. The other problem is that every one using those free clients (Thunderbird, etc) is used to get plugins for free. And a lot of coders out there do free plugins. The code for Thunderbird is free available and users can dig into the code and look how others have done similar solutions. Try finding code out there for Outlook. You will have your hard time. I am sure a ISV would code a plugin for Outlook and for DSPAM. But I am not so sure he will put it for free on the web. Including the source. Look for example at Barracuda. Have they a plugin for Outlook? No! They send HTML links in HTML mails. They avoid the additional hassle to deal with a plugin. They go the simpler path. And I am sure they have made their homework and know why they don't go the other path (aka spam/ham buttons or using a web service). And Barracuda is earning money with thye Anti-Spam solution. So they could/(should be able to) afford additional development costs for a ham/spam button solution. But they don't do it. Guess why? -- Kind Regards from Switzerland, Stevan Bajić ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Throughout its 18-year history, RSA Conference consistently attracts the world's best and brightest in the field, creating opportunities for Conference attendees to learn about information security's most important issues through interactions with peers, luminaries and emerging and established companies. http://p.sf.net/sfu/rsaconf-dev2dev _______________________________________________ Dspam-devel mailing list Dspam-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dspam-devel
