>Look. I am not the one against everything in a db. For me DB is fine. The
only thing that is bothering me is that so far no one has done serious work
on DSPAM in the last months beside me. Every one >keeps talking, talking,
promissing, talking and at the end everything is hitting me.
>Remember the PHP WebUI talk? Doing a WebUI should be a no issue but even
that small development is never happening. At the end every one is waiting
for the other to do something. And the only idiot >investing a lot of time
is me. Funny. If you guys are all so horny on that DB stuff, then why is now
one helping to get that implemented in DSPAM? Why? Is it because of me? Am I
the show stopper?

True, nothing happend exlude a lot from you and thats a really sad thing.
I never said youre the show stopper. I just try to bring in a few
conceptional ideas and the reasons behind them including possibilities (and
i just wrote a few of them the rest get copyrighted lol :-)

The PHP webui in the current strukture (with files and db) is a bit tricky.
If we ever decide to change the layout to get everything into the DB than
all that efford would be lost.
And i dont like wasting time, not mine not others :-)

Thats why i argument for this fundamental struktural change. I know that you
in person not against my ideas, but others are or they not aware oft he
impact and maybe wanna keep things as they are...
I also dont like the argument that one of our million databasedrivers not
gonna work anymore ... i mean this is a fundamental where we wanna go

Do we wanna hava a project with enterprise basic design and idea behind but
in fact designed for enduser use on a client

So first we need an conclusion where to go, then how to go and THEN who will
do it.


About the who from my side. I can offer there 3 things. First more ideas for
a lot of work - but foundet one - with the possibility to make some real big
out of dspam.
Second the webui/php thing here i can do a lot. Third a lot of conceptional
work.
To be honest i jsut dont know enought about the source and inside oft he
current dspam so i cannot honestly offer there something worth.


SOOO... What do we need is in first place a conclusion about the where to
go.
Then we (inlucidng me) can do the first how to do it (conceptional things) 
Then we need people doing things real (and NOW would be time fort hem to say
hello be part of the where to go)

Roadmap with timeline (not to optimistic one but also a realistic not toooo
far in the future) 
A Project coordinator who keeps an eye and a whip on those who have to do
something

We can also (after the where weg o is clear) really go out there and try to
aquire some people from other projects to crontibute something 
And of course we need a list of bigger companys using dpsam currently and
with an interrest of an massive development for it - so here exist maybe
also the possibility to aquire manpower from them or finincial help to make
manpower possible 


But this is just another of my crazy ideas :-)



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