On 08.11.2012 22:11, Mikkel Bang wrote:
I would gladly help fund the process of making DSPAM's learning work
out of the box (as part of DSPAM's source and not some high level
script or expert designed web UI that only a few of us can afford).
You would help me and other if you could qualify and quantify the
problem with learning out of the box.
Like they say "perfection is achieved, not when there's nothing left
to add, but when there's nothing left to take away".
This viewpoint is not new to me. The question is what is perfection?
DSPAM admin 1 thinks that perfection is if DSPAM work better than
SpamAssassin and does not require him to do much user management or
training and is idiot proof to install and does not need any
configuration at all.
DSPAM admin 2 thinks that perfection is if DSPAM allows him to change
and tune every aspect of the product. Integrate DSPAM with Exchange and
Lotus Domino and with Exim and with Postfix and users can train directly
within the IMAP/POP server and all of this is tunable and configurable.
DSPAM user 1 thinks that perfection is if DSPAM is just there and
magically knows what Spam is and what Ham is and never ever makes an
error. And DSPAM should know that ever message written in German is
considered by DSPAM user 1 as Spam because Germans are idiots and their
language is pointless.
DSPAM user 2 thinks that perfection is if DSPAM is there but can be
turned off because DSPAM user 2 thinks that no software can be more
intelligent than him. So any filter is considered as pointless by DSPAM
user 2.
etc, etc, etc....
I can go on here in the mailing list and ask what perfection is and I
will get from almost everyone another response. Well... I could now go
on and play the dictator and force some changes on everyone but why? Why
should I enforce my viewpoint on everyone? We are here all together to
move this product. You, the others and me. We all pull this product.
Some of us pull the thing in one direction, while other push the product
in a complete other way. And guess what? We all are doing the right and
on the same time the wrong thing. None of us is right or wrong.
Time will tell what changes will stay and what changes will be reverted
back or replaced.
So feel free to change the code. Submit patches. Add modules. Remove
modules. Be my guest. No! Be our guest. You can do with DSPAM whatever
you like. It is OPEN SOURCE. Every one can participate. This is how it
works here.
Thank you!
Mikkel
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Stevan Bajić
2012/11/6 Stevan Bajić <ste...@bajic.ch <mailto:ste...@bajic.ch>>
On 06.11.2012 16:03, Mikkel Bang wrote:
Why can't DSPAM make it easier for people by making the whole
learning thing work by default?
Learning and artificial intelligence is not an easy topic.
Anyway.... what does not work by default in regards to learning in
DSPAM?
Instead of having to read pages up and pages down of tutorials
and write huge scripts or use poorly designed web apps?
This is because everyone and his dog are complaining about how bad
things are but when it comes to actual work then complaining and
words and and and and don't change code. Work. Real coding and
writing and taking time to fix and enhance and change code and web
apps and and and is what is needed.
Words are easy said and easy written in a message. This is usually
how it starts. With words and complains or the need to make
something better or fix an issue. But it ends very quickly when it
comes down doing real work. There the words stop to have an
effect. Other qualities are needed. And very often it stops there.
People don't work for DSPAM. Not them. They point with fingers
towards others say 'I can not code but this guy over there he is
able to code. He should do it. I can not do it.'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_over_configuration
Thank you!
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