Hi,
Appologies, missed that line. In which case it looks like you have a
couple of
options, both of which use LMTP.
Check out the DSPAM readme LMTP section for details.
1. Install dspamc on the Dovecot VM and invoke it with --client option,
this tells
it to connect via LMTP to the dspam daemon, which you have running
on the DSPAM VM.
2. Write a scriptto run on the Dovecot VM that talks LMTP possibly
using netcat to accomplish the same thing.
Option 1 invoked using the dovecot antispam plugin using the dspam
backend and Option 2
with the mailtrain backend.
Best Regards
Martin
On 2015-02-19 12:17, Орхан Касумов wrote:
> Thanks for the explanation, but our management doesn't accept DSPAM
> retraining by sending letters to
> [email protected] [57] and
> [email protected] [58].
> Let me copy and paste an excerpt from one of my previous letters:
>
> ------------------------
>
> When setting up everything on a single VM, I achieve the following
> result:
>
> - a SPAM folder is created (with auto-subscription) for each user
> - DSPAM is trained by dragging spam from Inbox into SPAM folder or
> vice-versa (if good mail was mistreated as spam)
> - no HAM folder is used, everything happens between Inbox and SPAM
> - no forwardin g to [email protected] or [email protected]
> is used, only drag'n'drop between Inbox and SPAM.
>
> What I would like to achieve, is the SAME SPAM MANAGEMENT
> CAPABILITIES, but with separate Postfix, Dovecot and DSPAM
> servers.------------------------
> So, the question now becomes: is it possible to retrain DSPAM by
> using
> drag'n'drop between "Inbox" folder and "SPAM" folder
> if Postfix, Dovecot and DSPAM are installed on separate servers?
>
> Did anyone manage to do it? Please tell.
> Thanks!
>
> Четверг, 19 февраля 2015, 11:43 UTC от Martin Wheldon
> <[email protected]>:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> No problem, my suggestion is as follows:
>>
>> Configure DSPAM training using the email to retrain addresses. i.e
>> [email protected] [1] and
>> [email protected] [2] on the DSPAM VM, you probably
>> have
>> postfix installed already..
>> Here is a example from one of my installs (master.cf)
>>
>> dspam-retrain unix - n n - - pipe flags=XRu user=dspam
>> argv=/usr/local/bin/dspam-retrain-forward.pl
>> --debug=no
>> --client
>> --user ${sender}
>> --class=${nexthop}
>> --source=error
>> --full=yes
>> --headers-only=no
>> --bodies-only=yes
>> --first-only=no
>> --skip-first=no
>> --bin-dir=/usr/bin
>>
>> You then would need to be able to deliver retrain messages from the
>>
>> Dovecot VM to the DSPAM VM, this would probably
>> be best achieved using postfix as you are already using it.
>>
>> Configure Dovecot antispam plugin to send messages to be retrained
>> to
>> the retrain addresses using the mailtrain backend.
>> Probably with something like the following.
>>
>> >antispam_mail_sendmail = /usr/bin/mailx
>> >antispam_mail_spam = -s "retrain as spam"
>> > [email protected] [3]
>> >antispam_mail_notspam = -s "retrain as ham"
>> > [email protected] [4]
>>
>> Hope that makes it clearer.
>>
>> Best Regards
>>
>> Martin
>>
>> On 2015-02-19 11:03, Орхан Касумов wrote:
>> > Thanks for your participation, but the link and example you
>> provided
>> > talk about sa-learn, which is AFAIK SpamAssassin's training tool.
>> >
>> > Did you mean I should change the last two strings of this:
>> >
>> > antispam_backend = dspam
>> > antispam_signature = X-DSPAM-Signature
>> > antispam_signature_missing = error
>> > antispam_spam = SPAM
>> > antispam_trash = Trash
>> > ANTISPAM_DSPAM_BINARY = /USR/LOCAL/BIN/DSPAM
>> > ANTISPAM_DSPAM_ARGS = --SOURCE=ERROR;--SIGNATURE=%%S
>> >
>> > to this:
>> >
>> > antispam_backend = dspam
>> > antispam_signature = X-DSPAM-Signature
>> > antispam_signature_missing = error
>> > antispam_spam = SPAM
>> > antispam_trash = Trash
>> > ANTISPAM_MAIL_SENDMAIL = /USR/SBIN/SENDMAIL
>> > ANTISPAM_MAIL_SENDMAIL_ARGS = -F;%[email protected]
>> > But such a config wouldn't tell the antispam plugin where DSPAM
>> > server
>> > is...
>> > If I misunderstood you, please take a bit more time to explain
>> your
>> > idea.< br>
>> > Thanks!
>> >
>> > Четверг, 19 февраля 2015, 9:31 UTC от Martin
>> Wheldon
>> > <[email protected] [5]>:
>> >
>> >> Hi,
>> >>
>> >> No need to install DSPAM in the dovecot vm the dovecot antispam
>> >> plugin
>> >> supports
>> >> using sendmail to send the message to a retraining address.
>> >>
>> >> http://wiki2.dovecot.org/Plugins/Antispam [6] [1]
>> >>
>> >> The following example should get you working.
>> >>
>> >> #=====================
>> >> # mailtrain plugin
>> >> #
>> >> # This plug can be used to train via an arbitrary program that
>> >> # receives the message on standard input. Since sendmail can be
>> >> # such a program, it can be used to send the message to another
>> >> # email address for training there.
>> >> #
>> >> # For example:
>> >> # (defaults to /usr/sbin/sendmail)
>> >> #antispam_mail_sendmail_args = --for;%u
>> >> antispam_mail_spam = --spam
>> >> antispam_mail_notspam = --ham
>> >> #antispam_mail_sendmail = /usr/sbin/sendmail
>> >> antispam_mail_sendmail = /usr/bin/sa-learn-pipe.sh
>> >> #antispam_mail_sendmail_args = -f;%[email protected] # % expansion
>> done
>> >>
>> >> by dovecot
>> >>
>> >> Best Regards
>> >>
>> >> Martin
>> >>
>> >> On 2015-02-19 06:58, Орхан Касумов wrote:
>> >> > Sorry, I should have mentioned: clients use IMAP.
>> >> > When setting up everything on a single VM, I achieve the
>> >> following
>> >> > result:
>> >> >
>> >> > - a SPAM folder is created (with auto-subscription) for each
>> user
>> >> > - DSPAM is trained by dragging spam from Inbox into SPAM
>> folder
>> >> or
>> >> > vice-versa (if good mail was mistreated as spam)
>> >> > - no HAM folder is used, everything happens between Inbox and
>> >> SPAM
>> >> > - no forwarding to [email protected] [7] [2] [7] or
>> >> > [email protected] [8] [3] [8] is used, only drag'n'drop
>> between
>> >> Inbox
>> >> > and SPAM.
>> >> >
>> >> > What I would like to achieve, is the same spam management
>> >> > capabilities, but with separate Postfix, Dovecot and DSPAM
>> >> servers.
>> >> > I already managed to separate Postfix and DSPAM on two
>> different
>> >> VMs:
>> >> >
>> >> > - Postfix sends incoming mail to DSPAM via lmtp,
>> >> > - DSPAM checks mail and re-injects it back into Postfix via
>> smtp
>> >> > - ma il is delivered with DSPAM headers
>> >> >
>> >> > Now I'm confused about configuring Dovecot for DSPAM training,
>> >> > because
>> >> > on Dovecot's VM I don't have anymore /usr/local/bin/dspam,
>> >> > so obviously I can't use in Dovecot's configs:
>> >> "antispam_dspam_binary
>> >> > = /usr/local/bin/dspam".
>> >> > Does it mean that I have to install DSPAM on Dovecot's VM
>> also,
>> >> to
>> >> > run
>> >> > as a client (?) for separate DSPAM server?
>> >> > But this idea confuses me: I lose visibility of how many times
>> a
>> >> mail
>> >> > will go back and forth between different VMs...
>> >> >
>> >> > That's why I was asking about best practice setup - I wonder
>> how
>> >> > things are done in REAL setups,
>> >> > not in TEST setups described everywhere, with
>> >> Postfix-Dovecot-DSPAM
>> >> > mess on a single VM.
>> >> > I'd hardly believe that such a setup is used in reality, but
>> you
>> >> can
>> >> > correct me, if I'm wrong.
>> >> >
>> >> > Среда, 18 февраля 2015, 23:07 -07:00 от Eric
>> Broch
>> >> > <[email protected] [9] [4]>:
>> >> >
>> >> >> 1) If you're using IMAP clients you could set up ham/spam
>> >> folders
>> >> >> for each user into which they copy/move good/bad email. Every
>> so
>> >> >> often copy (scp, unison, rsync, etc) the email into a folder
>> for
>> >> >> each email user to the server running dspam and train there
>> >> using
>> >> >> bash scripts. The email folder should have the
>> [email protected] [10]
>> >> [5] [1]
>> >> >> so that you can train DSPAM per user, if you want.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> 2) If you're clients are running POP3, create seperate IMAP
>> >> >> accounts for each user on the dspam host using dovecot. So
>> each
>> >> user
>> >> >> will have one POP3 account on your mail server and an IMAP
>> >> account
>> >> >> on the dspam host. Users will copy/move good/bad mail to the
>> >> IMAP
>> >> >> ham/spam folder. You can train on each user's ham/spam
>> folder,
>> >> or 3)
>> >> >> Each user forwards the ham/spam back to training accounts on
>> the
>> >> >> dspam host of the following to the following addresses:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Forward “false positives” to:
>> [email protected] [11]
>> >> [6] [2]
>> >> >> Likewise you can send missed spam to:
>> [email protected] [12]
>> >> [7] [3]
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Eric
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On 2/18/2015 10:19 PM, Орхан Касумов wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> Hello, please share an advice!
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> If I have separate Postfix and Dovecot VMs, should I:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> 1) install DSPAM as a completely separate 3rd VM (which I'd
>> >> >>> prefer),
>> >> >>> 2) or install it on Postfix VM,
>> >> >>> 3) or install it on Dovecot VM?
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> The confusing point for me is DSPAM retraining via Dovecot
>> >> >>> antispam and sieve. When everything is on a single VM, I can
>> >> put
>> >> >>> in /usr/local/etc/dovecot/conf.d/90-plugin.conf:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> antispam_backend = dspam
>> >> >>> ...
>> >> >>> antispam_dspam_binary = /usr/local/bin/dspam
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Here the last statement implies that DSPAM is on the same VM
>> >> with
>> >> >>> Dovecot. But if I wanted to separate DSPAM completely, how
>> >> should
>> >> >>> I accomplish DSPAM retraining? Or it is not a recommended
>> setup
>> >> -
>> >> >>> to have a dedicated DSPAM server?
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> P.S. For some reason, all HowTos in the Internet describe
>> mail
>> >> >>> system setup with Postfix, Dovecot and DSPAM on the same VM.
>> >> While
>> >> >>> it's useful as a working TEST setup, it gives no idea (and
>> >> doesn't
>> >> >>> even come close) on how to implement a REAL setup with
>> separate
>> >> >>> Postfix, Dovecot and DSPAM components.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Thanks in advance!
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> --
>> >> >>> Орхан Касумов
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
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>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> _______________________________________________
>> >> >>> Dspam-user mailing list
>> >> >>> [email protected] [14] [9]
>> >> >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dspam-user [15]
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>> >> >> [4]
>> >> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> >> Dspam-user mailing list
>> >> >> [email protected] [17] [12] [5]
>> >> >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dspam-user [18]
>> [13] [6]
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Links:
>> >> > ------
>> >> > [1]
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>
> http://webmail.greenhills-it.co.uk//e.mail.ru/compose/?mailto=mailto%[email protected]
>> [19]
>> >> [14]
>> >> > [2]
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>
> http://webmail.greenhills-it.co.uk//e.mail.ru/compose/?mailto=mailto%3anotspam%[email protected]
>> [20]
>> >> [15]
>> >> > [3]
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>
> http://webmail.greenhills-it.co.uk//e.mail.ru/compose/?mailto=mailto%3aspam%[email protected]
>> [21]
>> >> [16]
>> >> > [4]
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
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>> [22]
>> >> [17]
>> >> > [5]
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>
> http://webmail.greenhills-it.co.uk/compose?To=dspam%[email protected]
>> [23]
>> >> [18]
>> >> > [6] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dspam-user
>> [24] [19]
>> >> > [7] mailto:[email protected] [25] [20]
>> >> > [8] mailto:[email protected] [26] [21]
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
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>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> Dspam-user mailing list
>> >> [email protected] [28] [23]
>> >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dspam-user [29]
>> [24]
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Links:
>> > ------
>> > [1] http://wiki2.dovecot.org/Plugins/Antispam [30]
>> > [2]
>> >
>> http://webmail.greenhills-it.co.uk/compose?To=spam%[email protected]
>> [31]
>> > [3]
>> >
>>
>
> http://webmail.greenhills-it.co.uk/compose?To=notspam%[email protected]
>> [32]
>> > [4]
>> >
>>
> http://webmail.greenhills-it.co.uk/[email protected]
>> [33]
>> > [5] http://webmail.greenhills-it.co.uk/[email protected]
>> [34]
>> > [6]
>> >
>> >
>>
>
> http://webmail.greenhills-it.co.uk/compose?To=notspam%[email protected]
>> [35]
>> > [7]
>> >
>>
>
> http://webmail.greenhills-it.co.uk/compose?To=spam%[email protected]
>> [36]
>> > [8]
>> >
>> >
>>
>
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>> [37]
>> > [9]
>> >
>> >
>>
>
> http://webmail.greenhills-it.co.uk/compose?To=dspam%[email protected]
>> [38]
>> > [10] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dspam-user [39]
>> > [11]
>> >
>> >
>>
>
> http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=190641631&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk
>> [40]
>> > [12]
>> >
>> >
>>
>
> http://webmail.greenhills-it.co.uk/compose?To=dspam%[email protected]
>> [41]
>> > [13] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dspam-user [42]
>> > [14]
>> >
>> >
>>
>
> http://webmail.greenhills-it.co.uk//e.mail.ru/compose/?mailto=mailto%[email protected]
>> [43]
>> > [15]
>> >
>> >
>>
>
> http://webmail.greenhills-it.co.uk//e.mail.ru/compose/?mailto=mailto%3anotspam%[email protected]
>> [44]
>> > [16]
>> >
>> >
>>
>
> http://webmail.greenhills-it.co.uk//e.mail.ru/compose/?mailto=mailto%3aspam%[email protected]
>> [45]
>> > [17]
>> >
>> >
>>
>
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>> [46]
>> > [18]
>> >
>> >
>>
>
> http://webmail.greenhills-it.co.uk/compose?To=dspam%[email protected]
>> [47]
>> > [19] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dspam-user [48]
>> > [20]
>> >
>> http://webmail.greenhills-it.co.uk/compose?To=spam%[email protected]
>> [49]
>> > [21]
>> >
>>
>
> http://webmail.greenhills-it.co.uk/compose?To=notspam%[email protected]
>> [50]
>> > [22]
>> >
>> >
>>
>
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>> [51]
>> > [23]
>> >
>> >
>>
>
> http://webmail.greenhills-it.co.uk/compose?To=dspam%[email protected]
>> [52]
>> > [24] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dspam-user [53]
>>
>>
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>> [email protected] [55]
>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dspam-user [56]
>
> !DSPAM:41,54e5d603249114779611187!
>
> Links:
> ------
> [1]
>
> http://webmail.greenhills-it.co.uk/compose?To=retrain%2das%[email protected]
> [2]
>
> http://webmail.greenhills-it.co.uk/compose?To=retrain%2das%[email protected]
> [3]
>
> http://webmail.greenhills-it.co.uk/compose?To=retrain%2das%[email protected]
> [4]
>
> http://webmail.greenhills-it.co.uk/compose?To=retrain%2das%[email protected]
> [5]
>
> http://webmail.greenhills-it.co.uk/compose?To=martin.wheldon@greenhills%2dit.co.uk
> [6] http://wiki2.dovecot.org/Plugins/Antispam
> [7]
> http://webmail.greenhills-it.co.uk/compose?To=spam%[email protected]
> [8]
> http://webmail.greenhills-it.co.uk/compose?To=notspam%[email protected]
> [9]
> http://webmail.greenhills-it.co.uk/[email protected]
> [10] http://webmail.greenhills-it.co.uk/[email protected]
> [11]
>
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> [12]
>
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> [13]
>
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>
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> [15] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dspam-user
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>
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>
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> [20]
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> [25]
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> [26]
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> [28]
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> [29] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dspam-user
> [30] http://wiki2.dovecot.org/Plugins/Antispam
> [31]
> http://webmail.greenhills-it.co.uk/compose?To=spam%[email protected]
> [32]
> http://webmail.greenhills-it.co.uk/compose?To=notspam%[email protected]
> [33]
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> [34] http://webmail.greenhills-it.co.uk/[email protected]
> [35]
>
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> [39] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dspam-user
> [40]
>
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> [42] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dspam-user
> [43]
>
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