At the risk of drawing this into a flame war, it is my opinion that call sign routing is an idea whose time will never come in a public network. It suffers a fatal flaw in that is is entirely ignorant of remote repeater activity and thus prohibits any attemp at etiquette. Since there is no way to know even what repeater you are being directed to, and that there is no way to monitor that repeater even if you did, there is no way to be polite with call sign routing. The only hope is that the repeater will ignore a message if it is busy at some instant - and I'm not convinced that it does. Call sign routing appears to me much akin to the old party-line telephone system with the exception that no one can tell when the line is busy. Frankly, Dplus is a far superior solution to remote contacts (In my opinon, of course). 73 Ted W1GRI
_____ From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Declan Mc Glone Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 11:21 To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Please help me support D-Star ... I think the issue there is simply that the majority of people just dont do Callsign Routing, and depend on DPlus routing instead on the K5TIT network. So while this is a good technical solution, the knowledge and ability to do it seems to be sliding away. I suspect its not something that newcomers pay a lot of attention to either. Its a shame really, but having the ability to reduce the lag in synchronising between callsigns as they move from Repeater to Repeater is a valuable one. It just feels like its arrived too late. If this was around near the beginning of the WW expansion of the D-Star network, perhaps we wouldnt have needed DPlus. Or perhaps DPlus and Reflectors would have taken a different direction. So the ability to Callsign Route and exchange information across Networks on a Routing basis is a very positive development, but its just the lack of routing thats probably having the biggest impact on it. Who knows, but I also like the Callsign Squelch feature in the radios. And again, because people dont route directly, or callsign route, its a feature rendered useless in the radios. Difficult to see how you increase uptake, DPlus and the Reflectors just seem to be a lot easier in comparison to Direct Routing. I do accept that there may be areas of the world where this might be the preferred way of doing things, but none spring to mind as I write this, notwithstanding those who currently have it installed on their repeaters. Dex M0TMX From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of john_ke5c Sent: 30 July 2010 15:44 To: [email protected] Subject: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Please help me support D-Star ... > Just waiting for the "Open vs Closed" debate to start (again!) For callsign routing there wouldn't have to be a debate if folks would utilize ircddb: http://db0fhn. <http://db0fhn.efi.fh-nuernberg.de/doku.php?id=projects:dstar:ircddb> efi.fh-nuernberg.de/doku.php?id=projects:dstar:ircddb Only a handful of gateways on all systems have installed it, however: http://ircddb. <http://ircddb.net/> net/ Maybe it's a start. 73--John
