Brad Campbell wrote:

> I've got issues with a load of kde programs being installed and not having 
> icons in the menus, but 
> then I built kde 3.5 from experimental deb source ages ago to upgrade kpilot, 
> so I'm not really 
> surprised. It all works and I've lost no functionality. On the other hand 
> it's freaking HUGE!!!!!

Ok, found a neat way to tackle the size bit with synaptic (which I've really 
only started to get to 
know, being a dselect bunny from _way_ back).

In the package view, you have the standard columns.. the one on the left is the 
install/remove 
status checkbox. If you sort by that column (click on it in the header).. you 
get a concise list of 
all the packages installed. Now if you click on the size column you get a 
concise list of all the 
packages installed sorted by size.. NEAT!

Being an upgrade, Ubuntu was not going to remove stuff I'd already installed 
that was now obsolete 
(like gcc-4.0 & gcc-4.1).. so I went through and removed all the stuff I no 
longer needed/wanted 
(korean / japanese / greek fonts for example).. old compilers & versions of 
automake.. used 
deborphan to find stuff that was no longer required..

sudo apt-get remove `deborphan` .. and keep doing it until there is nothing 
left to remove. Took 4 
cycles here. Watch out if you have locally compiled packages though.. as they 
don't register 
dependency in the packaging system and may depend on a library that deborphan 
suggests you remove.

Anyway,
Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/sda5             4.6G  3.7G  775M  83% /

We now have a much reduced OS footprint and we're much happier about it :)

Interesting stuff.. one of the main reasons I upgraded is Gnome has been 
working (among other 
things) on reducing power usage.. wakeups, static timers and the like..

With metacity (no visual effects) my graphics card (i915) wakes up 20 times a 
second. With low level 
compiz desktop effects it wakes up 75 times a second! I need to do some power 
profiling to see what 
kind of results that really produces in terms of power consumption. This 
machine measures it's 
battery consumption down to a resolution of about 20mW, so it's nice for doing 
stuff like that.

I sometimes use zoiper voip client (as it speaks IAX2 natively), but just 
noticed it wakes up over 
200 times a second when idle! no wonder my machine was idling warm.

We like Ubuntu 8.04 as much as we liked 6.06 when it was released (which was 
the first version of 
Ubuntu we'd ever seen/used). My servers are a hybrid of debian stable and 
Ubuntu 6.06 (local servers 
are Debian and Co-Lo are Ubuntu as I had someone else set them up remotely) and 
I'm happy with that, 
but I _really_ like Ubuntu for Desktop use.. and so do my Parents (though their 
next machine with be 
a new iMac actually running MacOS)

Brad
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