On 09/20/2002 Paul Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> So there I am.  Surfing the web via my stock 2400c
> (except for the 96mb ram upgrade) and a Farallon
> wireless card.  It was getting pretty warm sitting on
> my blanket (restricted heat dissipation I would
> think), but no problems with performance.  Then,
> without warning, IE hung up with the cursor
> clock/wristwatch icon for about 60 seconds..then right
> to a fatal error bomb icon/message.

My first CPU failure and prolonged GLOD was under exactly the same
conditions. Surfing online creates significant heat buildup from the modem
(and more active CPU)..

> I clicked on the
> restart.  The computer restarted (without chime-the
> speaker is turned down) but froze at the happy mac.  I
> forced another restart and the same thing happened.  I
> unplugged the power plug and then popped the battery
> out...of course this lead to the green light of death
> (or so I thought).  With the batttery out and the plug
> in I held the reset button for 60 seconds....it went
> off.  

The CPU has *most probably* suffered electromigration at the poin
connections. Reference:

------ Forwarded Message
From: Sidney Ho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 14:04:53 +0200
To: "(Duo/2400 List)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Heat & Electromigration

> b) (I must admit I'm a bit paranoid when notebooks heat up too much,

The subject of thermal shutdown on 2400s, especially with the Newer G3-240
is a subject I've warned on more than once.

The phenomenon that kills CPUs and allows those repair outfits with a
surface mount soldering machine (such as DT&T has) is called
"electromigration". Electromigration is driven by excessive heat, which is
itself exacerbated by bus overclocking or higher backside cache speeds, and
leads to progressive failure of potted microcircuits (non-repairable) and
soldered pins (repairable).

The technically curious can check out this link:

http://www.csl.mete.metu.edu.tr/Electromigration/emig.htm

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> Then the battery went in.  I tapped the power
> key and the computer resarted, or so I thought.  The
> computer turns on (the cap light on the yu keyboard
> works) and the drive accesses (I can hear it make a
> sound like it's "reading")...but then, when the screen
> should turn on and the drive should continue to "read"
> it just spins and the screen stays off.  The powerkey
> won't turn it off and a warm reboot is disabled as
> well.

Some circuits connecting and some not (a "partial" CPU failure which gets
progressively worse. But it's the most easily repaired failure.
> 
> So, experts, what is it?  Is the board fried, or is it
> a hard drive issue? Or what?  If it is the drive,
> shouldn't the unhappy mac show on the screen?  What
> gives??

99% the CPU. Try plugging in a known good one. I've been thru this.
> 
> If I haven't explained this well enough please let me
> know what to clarify.
> 
> Thanks,
> Paul
> 


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