Well this little exchange has made my morning quite entertaining. :) I would like to propose adding xft support and gnome systray support to dwm. And also sound effects.
On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 09:41, Kurt H Maier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 8:14 AM, Antoni Grzymala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > To sum up: I really cannot understand what's so cool in being a dick. > > And a rather softish one, too. > > This may come as a huge shock, but not everyone is motivated by a need > to look cool on the internet. > > > Being a non-dick is not equal to a social-networking hugfest, as Kurt is > > implying in his mail quoted above. That's no boolean, there are stages > > in between, which might come as a serious discovery to some of you here. > > Watch the coming years for similar revelations. > > I can't figure out why you typed this except as an attack vector. > Maybe I'll meditate on it for years and experience a revelation. Are > you suggesting that the text "This keeps its userbase small and > elitist. No novices asking stupid questions." is being a dick? If so, > I disagree. "Being a dick" is relative. I don't think anyone here is > being a dick, but others might. Catering to either extreme of the > spectrum is a waste of everyone's time. > > > Your mail is so grand, as if you wrote a large number of extremely > > elegant and useful operating systems. Heck, you just as well may have, > > but somehow I've never heard of Kurt H Maier, the great coder (no > > offense intended, just the sake of argument). On the other hand, I have > > heard of other people like, say, Paul Graham, who really are great > > coders, write great prose, and the last thing that would cross their > > minds would be calling themselves "elite". Even though, yeah, I do > > personally consider them "elite". > > Fallacious. Argumentum ad verecundiam. I'm allowed to have opinions, > whether or not you've heard of me. > > > You guys are fucking participating in a *simple wm* project. And to all > > the loudest "elitists", it's not even you who wrote the thing > > originally. > > Yes, we are participating in a simple wm project, and the fewer idiots > we have marching onto this mailing list and demanding ridiculous > feature-creep and handholding, the longer it will *remain* a simple wm > project. dwm's the only window manager I can stand using any more, > and I'd rather not have to fork it because the gnometards show up and > try to integrate networkmanager into the status bar. > > The text this thread describes was on the website the day *I* signed > up for this mailing list. Did it keep me out? No, because I haven't > developed a terminal case of thin-skin syndrome from sitting in front > of a hugbox terminal. That text is not keeping out anyone worth > having in. I'm not talking about programming proficiency, here; I'm > talking about keeping people out who have this inexplicable drive to > turn every software project into huge bloated crap. The userbase for > this wm is necessarily small. If that userbase were to grow large, it > would signify one of two things: either everyone has figured out they > don't need all the UI crap forced down their throats (unlikely), or > else dwm has changed into a mainstream window manager (terrifying). > Whether people change their UI needs we can't control, but if dwm > starts going mainstream, it will mean something is very wrong. > > > Also, calling *oneself* elite is just ridiculous. Self proclaimed elite. > > Self proclaimed deity. Yeah, right. Go get some treatment. > > You seem to be approaching the word "elite" from a > script-kiddie-braggadocio standpoint. Please stop. The phrasing in > question is "small and elitist." "Elitist" in this case means > "encouraging control by an elite minority." "Elite," before it was > ruined by BBS kids and usenet pseudohackers, meant "a member of a > privileged group." I submit to you that dwm users are privileged to > be so, and not having the mailing list flooded with requests for xft > support is a pretty nice thing to have. > > So yeah, the userbase is small. And I'm glad. The userbase is > elitist. We want Anselm in control, and not some Debian Subcommittee > for Window Management and Interface Design. And novices don't > generally come here and ask stupid questions. > > And that's the way I like it. > > # Kurt H Maier > >
