On (07/03/09 11:50), Joerg van den Hoff wrote:
> To: dwm mail list <[email protected]>
> Cc: Premysl Hruby <[email protected]>
> From: Joerg van den Hoff <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [dwm] [[email protected]: Messages from [email protected]
>       to you have been bouncing]

... 

> > Wow, his MTA (or maybe MUA) is sending out a delivery status
> > notification, saying that the message was delivered.  I didn't think any
> > MTAs actually did that, it can create many problems (like the current
> > one).
> > 
> > Joerg, you should check your mail client to see if it's sending out
> > delivery status notifications (DSNs).  What's happening is that your
> > mail client, or your mail server, is responding back to the message
> 
> I presume, it's our IMAP server in central IT. I'll forward your message.
> 
> I'm using `mutt' (which at least
> claims to suck less than other mail clients) and AFAICS should have
> nothing to do with the delivery notification, right?

I'm using mutt too, and have no problem. Do you use any other
program/device to access that IMAP account?

> 
> > saying "I got it!"  mlmmj (the list software used at suckless.org, which
> > I happen to have contributed to) treats any response to the envelope
> > sender address as a bounced message.
> 
> naive question: would it harm if mlmmj would treat the DSN has
> harmless/irrelevant instead of 'bounced'?

No, that's not possible. If you look on that "bounce" message carefully
you will see that your MX is sending it as MAILERDAEMON (<> address to
be precise) so that's fully featured bounce message. 

> 
> > 
> > I'm guessing there's some sender on the list who requests delivery
> > status notifications on their outbound messages, and this is why you
> > only see the bounces occasionally.

Well, I searched dwm archive and there's no email with header
from disposition-notification-* family -- one responsible for requesting
that "I read your email" thingie.

> 
> I start to get the picture.
> 
> > 
> > I'll refrain from expounding on my opinion of DSNs.  Check the Internet
> > if you're curious.
> 
> I always am.
> 
> 
> thanks again,
> 
> joerg

regards

-- 
Premysl "Anydot" Hruby, http://www.redrum.cz/

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